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re: J6 prisoner speaks out. ‘I have been held 1000 days without trial.’

Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:50 pm to
I'm fairly certain that for over a decade both SFP and 4cubbies have decried our criminal justice system. Me, not so much. But I have only said that I believe this guy is exaggerating his prison conditions in order to be a martyr for the cause.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2984 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:50 pm to
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The intent is to ensure the rest of us stay in line. They break the rules, and then innocent people who call it out get punished. See how they're treating Trump and those around him. Do not bend the knee.


You’re exactly right.

They want to crush dissent. But based on the protestors who just occupied the Capital over Gaza, they only want to crush “certain” dissent.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:53 pm to
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I'm fairly certain that for over a decade both SFP and 4cubbies have decried our criminal justice system.


Not me. I just started learning about how corrupt the penal system is about 2 years ago.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:53 pm to
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Yeah I posted the appellate decision on his motion to be released on page 2-3.


Thanks. I’ll read it. That is the part of the story that struck me as strange.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:54 pm to
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You’re assuming the worst about the defendants, accusing them of knowingly foregoing a speedy trial for unethical reasons.
Uhh, most of them are criminals. I doubt ethics enters the equation for most of them. But, I don't know that it's unethical either. I'm assuming that the public defender is doing their job on at least this type of motion as they know that certain names keep hanging around on their caseload.

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Neither one of us knows for sure what’s going on in every circumstance
OK.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:57 pm to
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Uhh, most of them are criminals


It’s PRE-TRIAL detention. They haven’t been convicted of their charges. It’s really concerning that you don’t have a problem with the government holding people perpetually without a trial or conviction.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:00 pm to
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It’s PRE-TRIAL detention. They haven’t been convicted of their charges
I know. But, most if them have been involved with the law multiple times in the past.

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It’s really concerning that you don’t have a problem with the government holding people perpetually without a trial or conviction
Quote where I said that.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:01 pm to
You’re implying you’re not bothered by it by spending so much time defending people being held in pre-trial detention for years without a trial.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:03 pm to
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I cannot wait until the lawsuits against the government and these facilities begin.

Same here.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138874 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:03 pm to
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the DA at the time was the one who said it was the public defender’s fault for not filing a motion for a speedy trial.
He can file at anytime.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138874 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:05 pm to
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I cannot wait until the lawsuits against the government and these facilities begin.
If there is truth to the prisoner accusations, suits, followed by prosecution will be forthcoming.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:05 pm to
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You’re implying you’re not bothered by it by spending so much time defending people being held in pre-trial detention for years without a trial
I've said they have a means to get out as explained in the story you posted earlier
and are not necessarily kept there by a corrupt system.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:07 pm to
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I've said they have a means to get out as explained in the story you posted earlier
assuming the government does everything in the best interest of the defendants, sure. You and I both know that isn’t the case.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:08 pm to
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DNC/FBI hired crisis actors and thugs
Always crisis actors with you. Doesn't look good for your side? "CRISIS ACTORS, FEDS!" You need therapy.

well considering that over 90% of the video I have examined of that day was produced by self-acknowledged antifa sources I would say I have a safe bet.

YOU? apparently, a big fan of the Smith Mundt changes of 2012 allowing misinformation campaigns and the obama biden regime propagandizing and running dark operations and frame jobs.

Now that I think of it - why dont you just go to hell, you piece of traitorous schidt
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:11 pm to
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assuming the government does everything in the best interest of the defendants, sure. You and I both know that isn’t the case
The govt in this case is their public defender and whether the pair decide to file for the 120 day trial motion. Again, it's either a strategy or malpractice for not informing their client.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:14 pm to
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The govt in this case is their public defender


Which makes the situation more disturbing, not less.

I do appreciate how you’re able to respectfully disagree with me.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:16 pm to
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Which makes the situation more disturbing, not less
So it's malpractice? You don't know the public defenders in Orleans do you? They aren't sitting on people to keep them in jail. They are all about getting them out.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:16 pm to
frick the US Government to hell.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61366 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:18 pm to
I only know one public defender and he’s at the state level. I’ll have to ask him about this next time I see him.

I know a few people at the DA’s office and they don’t inspire much confidence.

I’m not saying it’s deliberate malpractice. I think things fall through the cracks when a professional’s workload is overwhelming.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79931 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:19 pm to
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I do appreciate how you’re able to respectfully disagree with me
Believe it or not about 13-15 years ago you admonished me for being rude to someone on here. Said you thought I was better than that. Well, I still insult, but I try to be better most of the time and most of my insults are made in jest.
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