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re: Its time: end ethanol requirements in our gasoline
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:41 pm to offshoreangler
Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:41 pm to offshoreangler
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False. Ethanol is an oxygenate
MTBE was the top fuel oxygenate until CA banned its use. It just smelled a lot but not much of a pollutant if spilled. It just wasn't water soluble. This increased octane in lieu of adding TEL (tetraethyl lead) as an antiknock additive for low grades of gasoline.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:48 pm to HoustonTigerNKaty
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The biggest mistake this country ever made was using corn over sugar as the ethanol additive.
We tried that in the 1980's in Louisiana under Edwin Edwards. Despite receiving all sorts of subsidies and guaranteed loans, none of those plants operated more than 6 months. Two were based on sugar cane molasses, Shepherd at Mermentau and one in New Iberia (Saudi owners) Shepherd converted to corn while the one in New Iberia just shutdown. Still, despite $145 million in loans guaranteed by the state to build what should have cost $65 million for grassroots construction. It had no money to operate on. Major items of capital equipment were leased not purchased, the centrifuges, the chillers, the boiler, and the dryer system. The Crowley boys skimmed millions off the top.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:04 pm to bizeagle
Additionally, pure gasoline may be stored much longer than gas + ethanol. Pure gas can store for months while retaining quality. Ethanol begins breaking apart in a few weeks. Ever wonder why marinas sell ethanol free gas? Shelf life/tank life of pure gas is significantly longer.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:21 pm to bizeagle
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Additionally, pure gasoline may be stored much longer than gas + ethanol. Pure gas can store for months while retaining quality. Ethanol begins breaking apart in a few weeks. Ever wonder why marinas sell ethanol free gas? Shelf life/tank life of pure gas is significantly longer.
Define pure gasoline.
What you burn in your car as gasoline is a blend of straight run gasoline, isomerate and reformate along with alkylate all of the last three to increase octane rating (which doesn't actually mean octane as a carbon chain atom), also N Butane put into it for winter blend which is why it is cheaper in winter than in summer.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:31 pm to scottydoesntknow
I do not put ethanol gas in my vehicles, it is corrosive over time. I get non-ethenol gas from Buckees and QT here around Houston. Runs cleaner, improved gas mileage.
That ethanol mandate should be ended without delay!
That ethanol mandate should be ended without delay!
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:21 pm to The Maj
Damn kid.....Your pussy hurts bad.
Pop payments are a thing of the past you fricking Moron.
There are no subside payments anymore
Stfu admit you're wrong and raise your fricking hand next time you want to reply to me.
Pop payments are a thing of the past you fricking Moron.
There are no subside payments anymore
Stfu admit you're wrong and raise your fricking hand next time you want to reply to me.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:24 pm to scottydoesntknow
Beef and eggs
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:27 pm to R11
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There are no subside payments anymore
Like I said you are a conservative welfare whore...
I guess there were no commodity payments for corn in 2024?
Where did the $2.14 billion in payments by the USDA to landowners and producers go?
Like I said, you are either lying through you teeth or are too fricking stupid to run an operation...
I suppose there is no such thing as CRP and CRP TIP?
The GOP doesn't touch "welfare" because it would have an affect on the welfare payments to farmers...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:32 pm to The Maj
I can assure I'm not dumb.
I'm a 4th generation farmer and I'm telling you there's no extra money outside of what I book my crops for or what price is when I sell to elevator at harvest...... at least in my 4 short years of owning the business.
But you seem like a Typical
Know it all frick who prob sells cars or life insurance.
So carry on, the more you post the more comical this becomes.
I'm a 4th generation farmer and I'm telling you there's no extra money outside of what I book my crops for or what price is when I sell to elevator at harvest...... at least in my 4 short years of owning the business.
But you seem like a Typical
Know it all frick who prob sells cars or life insurance.
So carry on, the more you post the more comical this becomes.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:37 pm to R11
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I'm telling you there's no extra money outside of what I book my crops for or what price is when I sell to elevator at harvest......
So, no ARC?
No PLC?
No disaster payments?
No $13 per acre corn subsidy in 2024?
The USDA runs over 150 programs for "agricultural support" and you have not taken advantage of a single one of them?
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Know it all frick who prob sells cars or life insurance.
Guess again frick nuts... Like I said, you are too stupid to run an operation...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:45 pm to dewster
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If you live in an area with a lot of boats....it's easy to get pure gasoline.
Or if you live near a large Buc-ees. I get pure gas for my generator from those fine folk.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:48 pm to The Maj
Arc and plc haven't paid in years.
But you wouldn't know that bc you dont actually do it and you're stupid.
Disaster payments are as such.
A catastrophic event that occurred to a wide are of people to keep those who actually produce something the world needs derrrrrrp FOOD in business.
Nope... no 13$ an acre... least not in Louisiana.
Those usda programs are designed for smart ag in terms of minimum till, watershed projects and safe pesticide herbicide practices.
Not to mention your application has to be chosen for those programs and it's abased on amount funding each parish/county receives.
But hey I get to pay crop insurance.
I owe 52k that I gotta pay .... actually this Wednesday.
Maybe one of these made up fairy tale BS subside payments you keep blabbing about will help me pay it. ????
But you wouldn't know that bc you dont actually do it and you're stupid.
Disaster payments are as such.
A catastrophic event that occurred to a wide are of people to keep those who actually produce something the world needs derrrrrrp FOOD in business.
Nope... no 13$ an acre... least not in Louisiana.
Those usda programs are designed for smart ag in terms of minimum till, watershed projects and safe pesticide herbicide practices.
Not to mention your application has to be chosen for those programs and it's abased on amount funding each parish/county receives.
But hey I get to pay crop insurance.
I owe 52k that I gotta pay .... actually this Wednesday.
Maybe one of these made up fairy tale BS subside payments you keep blabbing about will help me pay it. ????
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:54 pm to R11
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the world needs derrrrrrp FOOD in business.
Dumbass, 40% of the corn production in the US goes to ethanol annually... so if there is not any ethanol, what happens to the price of your corn?
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Arc and plc haven't paid in years.
They pay when the area needs them and a farmer opts in...
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But hey I get to pay crop insurance.
That is heavily subsidized by the government, otherwise you would not be able to afford it...
4th generation farmer and you think your farm exists without heavy subsidy from the government? Talk about fricking stupid...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:56 pm to The Maj
Which part of i dont get any extra money nor does anyone outside of what market provides so you not understand??
Now you're a crop insurance guru.
Why you so mad bro?
Seriously? Why are you such an angry little bitch?
Now you're a crop insurance guru.
Why you so mad bro?
Seriously? Why are you such an angry little bitch?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:04 pm to scottydoesntknow
Why is ethanol free gas more expensive then??
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:04 pm to R11
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Which part of i dont get any extra money nor does anyone outside of what market provides so you not understand??
Like I said before, your industry is heavily subsidized by the government... Obviously, you are too stupid to understand that...
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Now you're a crop insurance guru.
Truth hurts but your insurance is subsidized through the government... You will also receive disaster payments if shite really goes south for you in a given year...
Since 1995 over $5 billion in just commodity payments have been made in the state of Louisiana... Just one of the 150 programs the USDA runs that subsidizes farming in this country... You can actually look up the recipients because it is public record...
Most ethanol subsidies come through the US Department of Energy and go to ethanol blenders and producers in the form of tax credits... Without them, the prices on your 1,500 acres of corn goes to absolute shite since they are buying 40% of what is produced in this country...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:06 pm to Hawgleg
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10 to 15cyears ago i had to go out of my way to find gas without eth. Now just about every station has non eth gas.
I wish they were closer to where I live.
I'd like it for no other reason than to run it through my small engines.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:18 pm to dewster
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Both of our cars get far better fuel economy on fuel with 0% ethanol than on E-10. It's not even close either - it's a 3-4 mpg difference.
Yeah, about 10% better. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:44 am to Ag Zwin
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I like the idea of the “small farmer”. I just don’t know that it’s something that should be maintained via massive manipulation of the market.
Smart small farmers formed partnerships with other small farmers to farm "corporate" farms via contract or sharecropping. The younger brother of my across street neighbor owns a 500 acre farm in Iowa but with others farms 5,000 acres of "corporate" farmland.
Take entities like the Lacassane Company in Louisiana, It was formed to bailout a relative trying to drain marshland for rice cultivation on the north side of Lacassine Wildlife Refuge.. 34,000 acres with about 30,000 in rice since the 1930's. They used to have their own implements and farm hands living in homes at the farm. They now have large sharecroppers to farm it for them. Far less to manage now and far less investment in equipment.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:04 am to SupermanSlim
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Why is ethanol free gas more expensive then??
Supply and demand. This question was answered more thoroughly earlier in this thread.
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