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re: It's May 25th 1787 and you have the floor
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:08 pm to StansberryRules
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:08 pm to StansberryRules
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Immediately end slavery and ban it completely in every territory.
And return all slaves to their native lands.
Unfortunately, some of the States, even with the knowledge of the future, would have said no still.
Theyd have said said "you want us to give up our wealth and prosperity because your generation was weak? Kick rocks"
The only way you could have scared them was to lie about when the war happened and tell them all the rich of the Southern states and territories were ruined and their sons killed(which did happen).
Even that would have caused the Southerners to leave and start sending envoys to repartner with Brits or French
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 12:09 pm
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:08 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Again, we don't know more NOW than was known then.
About what?
We know much more now as we have access to people's personal diaries.
We also know much more about how things turned out, including founder's intent.
I feel like it could have been quite easy back then to mention that Abortion was murder.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:18 pm to Narax
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What do you do?
What do you change.
You are obviously referring to outlawing slavery in the constitution.
- this would not have worked, or it would have been done. there IS no argument postulated in 2025 that would have convinced the 1787 convention. You would be just as successful trying to get them to set aside funds for the Newark Airport renovation.
- Slavery was a condition of life in that era - we would have to go back to perhaps 35,000 bc and begin biting at the ankles of every person who was not pure in thought.
- it would have been nice if they had been more clear about the 'separation of church and state' concept. And to anticipate the need for some guidelines for granting citizenship to future immigrants.
- I also like the idea of writing in a requirement for participating in the election process - perhaps residency and identification requirements, and something that prohibits 'insider trading' habits.
I think they did a remarkable job with the situation they faced = it is way too much to expect perfection from them based on our position of 250 years of 'Monday morning quarterbacking."
WE cannot even agree on the differences between men and women -
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:28 pm to dickkellog
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there was still a contract for hand picked cotton. the mechanical picking of cotton was not large spread until 1995
WOW - I never would have guessed that. thanx for the info.
My dad grew cotton one year in my youth - I was about 6yrs old and "wanted to pick cotton too"
So my mom made me a smaller sack and I went down the rows and came back with just a few handfuls of cotton - it was not nearly as much fun as I had thought - and my dad didn't make anything at all from the effort.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:39 pm to ChineseBandit58
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- this would not have worked, or it would have been done. there IS no argument postulated in 2025 that would have convinced the 1787 convention. You would be just as successful trying to get them to set aside funds for the Newark Airport renovation.
Agreed, this is why I think blackmailing the pro slavery faction would have been the only way for that major issue.
There was no argument that was to be made that would have changed anyone's mind.
Other than that I think there are 2 major spots for improvement.
1. Clarity that they didn't think was required (e,g, Church and State, 2A)
2. Things that were so obvious that they didn't think they needed to be clarified (e.g. Abortion)
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I think they did a remarkable job with the situation they faced = it is way too much to expect perfection from them based on our position of 250 years of 'Monday morning quarterbacking."
Agreed, they could not have known the future.
TBH I expected more comments on how people would have tried to convince people of 250 years ago and less on what they would have changed.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 12:40 pm
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