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re: It’s amazing to me how successfully the Left has normalized the unthinkable
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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In terms of national/governmental/legal significance? Yes. Why wouldn't it?
In terms of national/governmental/legal significance? Yes. Why wouldn't it?
Because the law isn't supposed to be subjective based on political class.
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What happened on January 6 probably hasn't ever happened, and if it has, it was a long fricking time ago.
Here's where I think the disconnect is. We saw riots and protests in DC over the BLM/George Floyd crap. We saw riots and protests all over the country the day after Trump was elected. The difference in those vs 01/06/2023, at least in my view, is that those on the Left who did their rioting did so mainly well away from the halls of power. They impotently harassed and harmed businesses and people who had no hand in what raised their ire.
When the Right became dissatisfied, they brought their ire directly to those they considered responsible. For that, they're being crucified.
Along with that, even when the Left has brought their ire directly against those in power (as shown in an earlier post), they are generally given slaps on the wrist (John Sullivan, for example, has spent only a single day even though he's on video inciting the break-in and violence as well as breaking a window in a Congressional office).
Although I disagree with your view, I can see how you could see 01/06/2023 as being more concerning, but I cannot fathom how you can look at the totality of it all and not see a two-tiered system of investigation and prosecution.
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What does the 1A have to do with rioting?
If the subjectivity of Congressional discomfort is now our yardstick for what sort of protesting is considered rioting, then it's not long before just speaking out at a public meetings is considered illegal.
Or, perhaps we are already there...
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 11:18 am
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Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:17 am to AggieHank86
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But there are also the more-thoughtful folks who just do not think that anyone ... even a former POTUS ... is above the law.
As many times as this is repeated… it doesn’t make it any more true than the last.
If it was remotely true…. You may not have the outrage today.
“No reasonable prosecutor” remember?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:28 am to Bard
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Because the law isn't supposed to be subjective based on political class.
The law is subjective based on perceived/actual threat. A riot outside of Congress will be different to Congress than a riot in St. Lous would be to Congress.
I wouldn't expect a Congressman to file a criminal complaint for perceived/actual threats for a riot 1500 miles away, also.
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We saw riots and protests in DC over the BLM/George Floyd crap.
Did they breach Congress?
Were they to disrupt a specific event in Congress?
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t those on the Left who did their rioting did so mainly well away from the halls of power.
That makes a huge difference.
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, I can see how you could see 01/06/2023 as being more concerning
It's not about being "more concerning". It's just different than a riot elsewhere. My original post was about the political/social repercussions for that sort of event. A more extreme/outlier event directly to a political entity/politicians individually will lead to a much larger direct political response.
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If the subjectivity of Congressional discomfort is now our yardstick for what sort of protesting is considered rioting, then it's not long before just speaking out at a public meetings is considered illegal.
Histrionic.
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Or, perhaps we are already there...
How many of those parents were arrested by the FBI for terrorism?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:29 am to CleverUserName
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As many times as this is repeated… it doesn’t make it any more true than the last.
So you think a former President is immune from federal or state law?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:32 am to CleverUserName
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Please anyone who thinks getting false electors to sign false affidavits saying they were elected as electors from their state so that the affidavits could be handed to Pence to upset the election is a criminal act please raise your hand.
How come you didn't address the above question in my post?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:40 am to ChexMix
We definitely are living in a time when good is called evil and evil is called good.any honest minded person should understand
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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In a Republican state
The DA for Davidson county is a D. He would have the power to prosecute just the same as Alvin Bragg in Manhattan.
Also this board, including me, has repeatedly stated how impotent the Republicans are, as a party, in playing the democrat game.
The lack of national outrage among the garbage, trash, media makes it most (D)ifferent.
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you think a former President is immune from federal or state law?
If a former Secretary of State is completely immune…. then what is the argument of anyone else above that office?
If NO one is above the law…. Should anyone be exempted??
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:46 am to texridder
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How come you didn't address the above question in my post?
Likely because that didn’t happen.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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The law is subjective based on perceived/actual threat. A riot outside of Congress will be different to Congress than a riot in St. Lous would be to Congress.
I wouldn't expect a Congressman to file a criminal complaint for perceived/actual threats for a riot 1500 miles away, also.
Even if those protests are about the same thing? That's justifying application of the law by political class. Do you think that sort of thing stops only with protests/riots?
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Histrionic.
It's basically what you're saying: the level of discomfort by members of Congress determines the difference between protests covered by 1A or those not covered by 1A (whether riots or not).
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It's not about being "more concerning". It's just different than a riot elsewhere.
It shouldn't be. It should be considered a far more egregious thing to take action against random people who have no hand in your issues than it should be when directing your ire towards those who do. What you're doing is justifying elected officials being damned near royalty.
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How many of those parents were arrested by the FBI for terrorism?
It's okay to investigate people solely for having a stance contrary to the government, as long as they aren't arrested? Jesus, man.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:52 am to roadGator
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They are scared shite less of Trump.
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Why? Serious question.
Because he doesn’t play their game, he’s not “one of them,” he can’t be bought, he ain’t afraid to call them out on their most nefarious behaviors and deeds, and he’s plenty bold and confident enough to act against them. That seems like a pretty threatening combination if you’re them.
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:52 am to Bard
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It shouldn't be.
Yes, it should be.
Context matters. I know you'd rather live in a world where you don't need to use your brain to think through nuanced situations. Unfortunately you do not live in that world.
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It should be considered a far more egregious thing to take action against random people who have no hand in your issues
You think the people of an area have no input on how the area is governed? Who's elevating the political elite now?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:53 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Anyone else still flabbergasted by it all?
I'm not. I stopped being flabbergasted by anything the Left does and and the Right takes a knee for back in 2020.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:54 am to LSUconvert
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you don't need to use your brain to think through nuanced situations.
I know women don't have a penis so I'm way ahead of you.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:54 am to davyjones
I don’t think they care if he calls them out. They didn’t stop a thing. They got worse.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:55 am to LSUconvert
Here's REALITY!
Earth is 4.543 Billion years old. A life of 80 years makes up 0.000000002% of that time.
We get to live life once and some people chose to live like this and the rest have to deal with it!
It's really sad!
Earth is 4.543 Billion years old. A life of 80 years makes up 0.000000002% of that time.
We get to live life once and some people chose to live like this and the rest have to deal with it!
It's really sad!
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:55 am to roadGator
The threat remains a threat, if I may.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:57 am to davyjones
The threat of what exactly? I’m genuinely curious about what scorched earth looks like from the limited powers of the executive.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:58 am to texridder
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Please anyone who thinks getting false electors to sign false affidavits saying they were elected as electors from their state so that the affidavits could be handed to Pence to upset the election is a criminal act please raise your hand.
Sorry. I didn’t know what mode you were programmed to be on the MI thing. It was laughable larping up till recently. Didn’t know which switch was flipped.
Is that what the MI atty general has charged? Why hasn’t she filed the indictment on Trump if so?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:06 pm to CleverUserName
This is why back in the day schools required teens to read 1984, watership down, a brave new world and animal farm . Such books were SUPPOSED to warn us to not be idiots.
With that being said, Some days I’m shocked. Other days I’m not. Depends on my mood
With that being said, Some days I’m shocked. Other days I’m not. Depends on my mood
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