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re: Italy's national health care: Those over 80 to be denied intensive care

Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
9631 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:16 pm to
Unless of course you’re politically connected, rich, or famous.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:17 pm to
Liberals are like, “so that’s the plan. I don’t get the problem”
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:21 pm to
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(in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.

save who you can


Age is somewhat of arbitrary cutoff.

I know 80 year olds in better shape than some fat and lazy 40 year olds.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25510 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:36 pm to
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First off you are using one of the poorest and unorganized European countries as a basis for failed universal healthcare. I believe a country like Germany with a system that many on the left would like to see would be a better comparison.



Oh, come on. This is both so disingenuous and straight out of the leftist playbook.

Italy's per capita GDP is on par with Japan and New Zealand (and above Spain), hardly poor shitholes. Is it equivalent to Luxembourg and Switzerland? Well, gee, no.

But, "Let's compare the US to Germany", the one country that is far and above the rest of the EU in hospital resources. Yeah, that's a more relevant comparison.

Good lord.




Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:22 pm to
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What are some examples of actual rights then?
You could always read the Bill of Rights.

The con-men selling socialized medicine to Americans are constantly conflating “rights” with “free stuff”. They are not equivalents.

Rights do not equal means. The government does not guarantee means, except to an attorney... for example the government does not have to build me a church so I can to exercise my Right to Religious Freedom. They do not guarantee I will have a printing press (not any modern-day equivalent) sto engage in my Right to Free Speech. Nor does the government guarantee me an unlimited amount of guns.

Yet we are told by the salesmen of dependency that “healthcare is a right, and someone else should pay for it, and the government should guarantee it’s provided”. This isn’t e case. Even in places where socialized medicine exists as a “right”.

That is because it isn’t a right. It’s a service. A personal service. A valuable one—certainly. But that simply re-affirms why it is expensive—and should be.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62653 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:24 pm to
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First off you are using one of the poorest and unorganized European countries as a basis for failed universal healthcare.
there it is again. “they are just doing it wrong”.
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