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It just got SERIOUS: FBI used secret program to spy on ---NSLs

Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:48 pm
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The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. That has become a politically contentious point, with Mr. Trump’s allies questioning whether the F.B.I. was spying on the Trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials.

National security letters (NSL) are secret orders that the FBI uses on a regular basis to obtain sensitive electronic data and phone records. The Intercept reports:

They are controversial in part because they carry the force of law but are created entirely outside the judicial system: To issue one, an FBI official just needs to attest that the information sought is relevant to a national security investigation. The letters have also been criticized because they are shrouded in secrecy. Companies that receive them are for the most part forbidden from notifying their customers or the public. The government has fought to keep even basic rules governing them secret.

Companies that receive NSLs might not be legally required to hand over the information demanded by the FBI. The Intercept continues:

The FBI’s internal guidelines suggest that the bureau uses the letters to demand sensitive information on email transactions — even though the Justice Department has specifically advised the FBI that it does not have the authority to use the letters this way. The documents also indicate that the FBI can use national security letters to surveil a “community of interest” by obtaining information from a business about a customer and every person that customer has contacted. This is a controversial practice that the bureau once halted amid scrutiny. But the documents reveal that a secretive unit that mines phone records can still initiate such requests.

The most recent document on national security letter policy was made public on January 31, 2017, by The Intercept and reveals which FBI officials have the authority to sign NSLs. The Director has delegated the authority to sign NSLs and to certify the nondisclosure requirement to the following FBI officials:

Deputy Director
Executive Assistant Director
Assistant EAD for the National Security Branch
Assistant Directors and all DADs for CT, CI, CyD, and the Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate
General Counsel
Deputy General Counsel for the National Security Law Branch
Assistant Directors in Charge in NY, LA, and D.C.
All Special Agents in Charge (SAC)

The Electronic Communications Privacy Act lists four types of information that the FBI is allowed to obtain using NSLs, as noted by The Intercept:

Name of the owner of an account
How long that person has owned it
The person’s address
Toll billing records, which reveal phone numbers that are called and include the date, time, and length of each call

The Intercept further noted that lawyers with the Justice Department specifically stated in 2008 that the FBI did not have the legal authority to demand that tech companies hand over records beyond the four types listed, but "FBI agents may have expected that other companies, especially small ones, would be too ignorant or weak to fight back."



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Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31839 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:49 pm to
obama tapped his wires! Bad (or sick) guy!
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:51 pm to
That's proof that Rod Rosenstein needs to be impeached, pronto.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73568 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:51 pm to
Want brigade still gonna deny the wires were tapped?
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
4768 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:52 pm to
this is incredibly disturbing. how is this legal?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57924 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:53 pm to
We might as well get used to the fact that we are now living in a, "1984" type of world.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

That's proof that Rod Rosenstein needs to be impeached, pronto.



It's proof that this whole process was to keep Trump from being elected.

The question is why?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

FBI agents may have expected that other companies, especially small ones, would be too ignorant or weak to fight back.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95318 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:59 pm to
They wanted Hillary in because they knew she would play ball as long as she got her cut.

Trump, as an outsider, was dangerous in that he was an unknown. He wasn’t beholden to them and they didn’t know if his talk was campaign bluster or the real thing.


The first shot or two at him was probably a Just In Case because they figured that Jeb or someone else controllable, or at least familiar like Cruz, would get the bid.

As they started trying to entrap him and he wasn’t taking the bait, I think they got truly desperate. It went from “Hillary needs to win” to “Trump needs to lose” if only because they couldn’t find any leverage on him.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36016 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:00 pm to
Hey liberals, if the government can do this to the most powerful man in the world, what can they do to the poor and oppressed people you claim to support? Nothing but hypocrites.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16091 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:02 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:07 pm to
He wasn't president yet. They can control the USA with this POWER.


Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

He wasn't president yet.
The process is still going on.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17017 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

this is incredibly disturbing. how is this legal?


NSL's have been in the news for years. During the whole Snowden thing, one of his e-mail providers was served with an NSL and the FBI came in there and took all his equipment and went through it to find Snowden. The guy was not allowed to tell his other customers it ever happened.

Other people have been served with them for bogus reasons. They can't even fight them in court because even admitting you've been served with an NSL is a crime.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36016 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:46 pm to
Who needs the Russians as a boogeyman when our own government acts just like them?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:47 pm to
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Other people have been served with them for bogus reasons. They can't even fight them in court because even admitting you've been served with an NSL is a crime.


That's messed up!
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:00 pm to
We love our Patriot Act, don't we folks?

I'm sure we'll hear some more "serious concerns" leading right up to renewing the same stuff like we did with FISA
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:02 pm to
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To issue one, an FBI official just needs to attest that the information sought is relevant to a national security investigation.


Did an investigation exist? If so.. giant nothingburger
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57924 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

We love our Patriot Act, don't we folks?


The vast majority of conservatives that post here have always been against the Patriot Act. Try again.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:09 pm to
quote:


The vast majority of conservatives that post here have always been against the Patriot Act. Try again.


Until the Trump phenomenon maybe.
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