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re: Israel shelling Gaza hospital
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:37 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:37 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
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How can you, or anyone, argue that Israel is not an apartheid?
Because Gaza and the West Bank are not part of sovereign Israel. Within sovereign Israel, there is no legal distinction between Jew and non-Jew. All of this runs counter to the idea of Apartheid as displayed in South Africa.
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:38 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:Care to explain why there are 47 separate links in Wilkipedia when you search for "Islamic Terrorism in India"? How many non-Muslims live in Pakistan or Bangladesh? Would you like to discuss the 1971 Bangladesh Genocide? Muslims are not exactly tolerant of other religions when Muslims are in the majority.
Even though the British did partition it, millions of Muslims still live in India and coexist peacefully like the other 10+ religions there.
quote:The almost 1,700,000 Muslims living in Israel might disagree with you. Israel's ability to coexist in peace with Egypt and Jordan is also evidence you are wrong.
Israel is unable to coexist with any other religion besides Judaism.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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Because Gaza and the West Bank are not part of sovereign Israel. Within sovereign Israel, there is no legal distinction between Jew and non-Jew. All of this runs counter to the idea of Apartheid as displayed in South Africa.
I can tell you for a fact, that it is bullshite to say non-Jews have equal rights. Not even close.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Within sovereign Israel, there is no legal distinction between Jew and non-Jew. All of this runs counter to the idea of Apartheid as displayed in South Africa.
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Israel's meticulous battle over nationality is plainly distilled on the state ID card. Israeli ID cards have long listed whether one is an Arab, Jew or otherwise, with no recourse to the seemingly natural option of “Israeli” nationality.
Life has been defined along these strict religious and ethnic binaries to establish clear parameters between the privileged class and others. ID cards, the physical embodiment of this policy, allow security officials to perform frequent “random” ID checks around bus stations, in airports and busy pedestrian areas.
For many Palestinian citizens of Israel, their ID cards simply invite unnecessary harassment from security officials.
Few, if any, western countries have one’s ethnicity or religion listed on a national ID card but that inconvenient fact has not brought about any serious pressure to change the discriminatory system in Israel. Ironically, the only changes to the ID card in the last 60 years have come from the religious establishment.
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This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:44 pm to trackfan
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There were only four Israeli-Arab wars between 1947 and 1973
1. The 1948 Palestinian War (1947-1949)
2. The Reprisal Operations (1950 - 1966)
3. The Six Day War (1967)
4. The War of Attrition (1967-1970)
5. The Yom Kippur War (1973)
That's Five.
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and Israel started two of them (1948 & 1973), and the first was in response to the Nakba that was imposed on them by the West.
The Yom Kippur War in 1973 started due to a surprise attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel in an attempt to recapture the territories.
After the Palestinians rejected their own state under the 1947 UN Partition Plan, Palestinian militias opened fire on Jewish settlers.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:45 pm to Malik Agar
Is that all u can reference? Never have seen jews on TV chanting death to America. Have u ?
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
That article is correct in terms of practices but those practices takes place in Gaza and the West Bank, not in sovereign Israel.
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On page 2:
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The book’s most striking revelation for any observer of the Middle East is how Israel’s current matrix of control over Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza originated in the early 1950s
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:50 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
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I can tell you for a fact
Thanks, but I'll stick to actual journalists and Israeli law instead of some anonymous poster named "Geauxrilla Ballz."
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:50 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:If your best argument against the apartheid analogy (the South African side of which is incoherent; "1948" is simply an arbitrary dodge of the semantics issue) is that "it's not apartheid like South Africa, it's simply a 50-year military occupation like the Soviets in Eastern Europe," then my sympathies are less than stirred.
Because Gaza and the West Bank are not part of sovereign Israel. Within sovereign Israel, there is no legal distinction between Jew and non-Jew. All of this runs counter to the idea of Apartheid as displayed in South Africa.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:57 pm to Iosh
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it's simply a 50-year military occupation like the Soviets in Eastern Europe," then my sympathies are less than stirred.
I've been clear since the beginning that I do not defend Israel's actions. I am only pointing out that the Palestinians are not victims in this multi-decade ongoing turmoil. To compare what occurred under the colonial slave trade and South African apartheid to the current military occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, is to cheapen the suffering under the two former practices.
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If your best argument against the apartheid analogy (the South African side of which is incoherent; "1948" is simply an arbitrary dodge of the semantics issue) is that "it's not apartheid like South Africa,
1948 is when the British government relinquished control of South Africa to the Afrikaners. Now, their treatment of the native, black South Africans was not acceptable prior. But actual, legal apartheid started around that time. Black South Africans actually had voting rights prior to 1948.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:16 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Oh please. Save your cheap Internet concern trolling and tsk-tsking for someone who gives a shite. Go tell the actual South Africans who put their actual lives on the line against apartheid how they "cheapen the suffering" of their countrymen by invoking the word:
To compare what occurred under the colonial slave trade and South African apartheid to the current military occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, is to cheapen the suffering under the two former practices.
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This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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Because Gaza and the West Bank are not part of sovereign Israel. Within sovereign Israel, there is no legal distinction between Jew and non-Jew. All of this runs counter to the idea of Apartheid as displayed in South Africa.
But Israel controls the borders of all the land between the Jordan River and the Sea, with no intention of ever relinquishing control. On the West Bank, Jewish settlers have way more rights than Palestinians, but even in Israel, Palestinians subject to Israel's discriminatory marriage laws, housing laws and family reunification laws. The bottom line is that on both sides of the Green line Jews have more rights than their Gentile neighbors.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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Thanks, but I'll stick to actual journalists and Israeli law instead of some anonymous poster named "Geauxrilla Ballz."
Believe me or not, but the FACT is that non-Jews do not have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. My father and family are living witnesses. I have experienced it myself. It is not a debatable subject.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:59 pm to LawLessTyGer
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1979 They held AMERICANS HOSTAGE They are backwards and treat women like shite! Are you defending them? If u are u are a POS!
You said that we should hate Iran for taking hostages. With that logic, we should really hate Israel for killing our sailors.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:36 am to Malik Agar
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You said that we should hate Iran for taking hostages. With that logic, we should really hate Israel for killing our sailors.
Yep, our hostages all got to grow old, unlike 34 sailors on the USS Liberty.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:06 am to trackfan
thats all you pro-arabs can say, nothing else. you guys ignore everything else...
Pathetic broken records, if you feel the way most arabs do go join Hamas and fight the good fight bro.
Pathetic broken records, if you feel the way most arabs do go join Hamas and fight the good fight bro.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:49 am to Antonio Moss
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Apartheid literally means "the state of being apart" which isn't the case here. Gaza and the West Bank are occupied territories consequences of war. A crude comparison would be the Eastern Block Soviet States following WWII.
They are apart. Palestine is the definition of apartheid. It is a prison with no entry or exit. At least the eastern soviet states had a passport.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:52 am to novabill
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Why do not the muslims in Egypt allow them passage to Egypt, you know, out of the prison.
Why don't you let them in your country?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:57 am to Burt Reynolds
so the argument now is that there is no way for this population to emigrate b/c israel keeps them in the west bank?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:10 am to Burt Reynolds
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They are apart. Palestine is the definition of apartheid. It is a prison with no entry or exit. At least the eastern soviet states had a passport.
In the West Bank, there are Jewish-only roads, Jewish-only towns and Jewish-only public facilities. If that's not apartheid the word has no meaning.
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