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re: Israel shelling Gaza hospital
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:02 pm to LawLessTyGer
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:02 pm to LawLessTyGer
Israel attacked one of our navy vessels and MURDERED dozens of our soldiers. But let's conveniently forget that because Israel is our greatest ally and can do no wrong.
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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You need to study more history. The plan for a Jewish home in Palestine predates WWII. Look at the British Mandate for Palestine following WWI after the Ottoman Empire (of which the areas constituting present day Palestine and Jordan were a part) lost on the side of the central powers. There was no nation-state in this area and the British and French began plans to speed along a migration of Jewish settlers to present day Israel.
Following their defeat in WWI, the people of that area had entered into and lost five different aggressions over the span of 27 years resulting in the present-day fisaco: the 1948 Palestinian War, the Reprisal Operations, the Six Day War, the War of Attrition, and the Yom-Kippur War
Regardless, all the stuff with the Balfour Declaration, WWI, the fall of the Ottoman Empire and WWII still didn't give Europeans Jews the moral authority to usurp/displace Mideast Gentiles in Palestine.
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Twice the Palestinians have been offered their own state and twice they have rejected it because it would require their recognition of Israel.
bullshite! Even Rabin, who was the only Israeli Prime Minister who genuinely wanted peace and showed some empathy for the Palestinians, didn't offer the Palestinians an independent SOVEREIGN state.
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To label this as an oppressive apartheid is to ignore the last century of history.
What phrase would you use to describe a state that uses race, religion or ethnicity to determine what rights a person has?
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:10 pm to Malik Agar
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Israel attacked one of our navy vessels and MURDERED dozens of our soldiers.
Well, it was sailors - though I shouldn't quibble. I still have concerns about the incident, but I believe it was somewhat more likely than not a case of mistaken identity - am I positive? No. However, it happened with the Stark, the Iranian 747 - heck, it happened to US and UK troops killed by friendly fire in Desert Storm. However, I respect the opinions of my brothers and sisters of the USN - many of whom remain convinced it was a deliberate attack - either to eliminate a U.S. surveillance asset, frame the Arabs for the attack, or both.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:11 pm to trackfan
They can't take it so your argument is a moot point ...
Wrong side of history but you'll never admit to it
Wrong side of history but you'll never admit to it
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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That's like saying you condemn the NAACP but aren't a racist because some of your best friends are black. What do you think people are going to think.
Ok. It is very easy to condemn the NAACP and not be racist. The NAACP is an organization, same as AARP. Many people condemn them and some of those are old people. Surly you do not think old people hate old people?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:13 pm to joshnorris14
Are they still shelling this hospital? How deep is the crater now?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:15 pm to Paluka
The shelling will continue until all of the wounded are "cured".
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:17 pm to Ace Midnight
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Gaza is an unacceptable sham? I agree it's a shithole, but it's a start. Maybe spend that international money on infrastructure instead of rockets and tunnels...
HELL YES Gaza is an unacceptable sham!
It's a prison. Where have you been?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:18 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
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Where have you been?
Not raining rockets down on Israel, that's for damned sure.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:18 pm to trackfan
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bullshite! Even Rabin, who was the only Israeli Prime Minister who genuinely wanted peace and showed some empathy for the Palestinians, didn't offer the Palestinians an independent SOVEREIGN state.
Goodness. The 1947 UN Partition Plan offered the Palestinians a sovereign state (which they did not have prior) and it was rejected leading to the 1948 Palestinian War. The Oslo I Accord granted the Palestinians Sovereign control of the two territories and a five year path to statehood until the Palestinians reengaged the Israelis.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:21 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Infrastructure utilizing what materials? Concrete? Steel? Lumber? Gravel? Asphalt? All of which are blockaded?
Gaza is an unacceptable sham? I agree it's a shithole, but it's a start. Maybe spend that international money on infrastructure instead of rockets and tunnels...
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:23 pm to trackfan
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What phrase would you use to describe a state that uses race, religion or ethnicity to determine what rights a person has?
And none of that has to do with the FIVE aggressions that the "oppressed" engaged in between 1947-1973?
I'm not arguing that Israel is in the right. But this is not apartheid. This is military occupation.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:27 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:At what precise point did South Africa transition from an "occupation" of the annexed Xhosa territories and Zulu kingdom to apartheid? Was it simply the first legal use of the phrase "apartheid?" Because that collapses your distinction into mere semantics.
And none of that has to do with the FIVE aggressions that the "oppressed" engaged in between 1947-1973?
I'm not arguing that Israel is in the right. But this is not apartheid. This is military occupation.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:28 pm to wmr
I know this is from Wikipedia and may not be reliable, however if this IS accurate, hamas is no better to palestinians that Israel.
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In June 2007 the Rafah Crossing was closed by the Egyptian authorities after the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip. Due to the lack of security the EU monitors pulled out of the region, and Egypt agreed with Israel to shut down the Rafah Crossing.[1] During the Battle of Gaza, 6,000 Palestinians took refuge from the fighting across the Egyptian border. They were stranded on the Egyptian side of Rafah after Hamas took power and were prevented by Hamas from returning to the Gaza Strip.[14] Israeli and Egyptian diplomats tried to convince Hamas to allow these Palestinians to peacefully use the Kerem Shalom crossing to return home. However, on 5 July 2007, according to Israeli officials, Hamas refused to allow the crossing to be used and threatened to attack the crossing with mortars and gunfire, even at the cost of killing thousands of Palestinians.[14]
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:29 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm not arguing that Israel is in the right. But this is not apartheid. This is military occupation.
It is both. How can you, or anyone, argue that Israel is not an apartheid?
Don't say Israeli Arabs have equal rights, because they don't.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:30 pm to Antonio Moss
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This is military occupation.
Good luck to Israel with that.
Don't think I'm against Israel. I sincerely wish them well but I'm hoping for a good outcome for both sides.
I may be wrong but I think Bibi is making a strategic mistake.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:32 pm to Iosh
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At what precise point did South Africa transition from a "military occupation" of the annexed Zulu kingdom to apartheid?
1948 when the Labour Party in South Africa collapsed withdrew from the coallition government leaving only the Afrikaners. At that point, the military consequences of the Boer Wars were irrelevant.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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And none of that has to do with the FIVE aggressions that the "oppressed" engaged in between 1947-1973?
Wrong. There were only four Israeli-Arab wars between 1947 and 1973 and Israel started two of them (1948 & 1973), and the first was in response to the Nakba that was imposed on them by the West.
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I'm not arguing that Israel is in the right. But this is not apartheid. This is military occupation.
Come one man, you're arguing semantics. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
EDIT: Normally military occupations don't include the occupying power transferring its citizens to the occupied land in order to displace the native population. After WWII, the U.S. didn't evict Germans and Japanese from their homes in order to set up American-only colonies.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:33 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
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It's a prison. Where have you been
Why do not the muslims in Egypt allow them passage to Egypt, you know, out of the prison.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:37 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:What does that have to do with literally anything?
1948 when the Labour Party in South Africa collapsed withdrew from the coallition government leaving only the Afrikaners. At that point, the military consequences of the Boer Wars were irrelevant.
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