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Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
So was our media wrong and a further embarrassment or did Israel do damage?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
When have I ever claimed the Jews have no claim to the area? Or have I argued that the state of Israel has no right to exist?
ETA, why won’t you answer the question about Jewish Muslim relations 100 years ago?
ETA, why won’t you answer the question about Jewish Muslim relations 100 years ago?
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 11:22 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:27 am to OBReb6
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1. Palestinians have been in that territory for hundreds of years.
And Jews have been there for thousands of years. "Palestine" derives from Philistia, the Greek word given to describe the Philistines. The Philistines didn't appear in what is now Israel until sometime around 1,200 BC, hundreds of years after the Jews.
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2. The Arab countries in the region enjoy this being a political football to rile up support. That is why they don’t offer to solve it.
Some yes, some no. Most (if not all) would be very satisfied if Israel simply disappeared. At the same time, none of them are volunteering to take in Gaza refugees, not even Lebanon/Hezbollah. In other words, they want something done about Israel but they don't want to have to deal with any possible fallout from it.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:27 am to OBReb6
You do realize that there were a lot of Jews who were living in the Gaza Strip and in parts of the Westbank for thousands of years and they were forced to give up their land and move to Israel don’t you? The Accords (not Abraham) forced them to give up their multi-generational land and move to Israel because the Arabs wanted all Jews gone.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:30 am to OBReb6
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ETA, why won’t you answer the question about Jewish Muslim relations 100 years ago?
Its irrelevant.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its irrelevant.
You think them hating the Jews now is relevant. If they didn’t hate them 100 years ago then something drastically changed.
Saying in effect that this is irrelevant is so shallow and reveals you are dishonest.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:40 am to OBReb6
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You think them hating the Jews now is relevant.
Its all that matters, the present.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:44 am to MrLSU
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You do realize that there were a lot of Jews who were living in the Gaza Strip and in parts of the Westbank for thousands of years and they were forced to give up their land and move to Israel don’t you? The Accords (not Abraham) forced them to give up their multi-generational land and move to Israel because the Arabs wanted all Jews gone.
What is your point with this? The only thing in common is that Israel forced both groups to move. This was a carrot offered to Gaza but in exchange they just surrounded and blockaded the place from there on out. They didn’t want their citizens in there anyway. I don’t know what meaningful resettlement has been done in the West Bank, all the settlements still exist and are still growing.
The difference is that in 1948 the Israelis forcefully and illegally drove the Palestinians out of their homes (in territory granted to Palestinians in the UN partition plan).
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its all that matters, the present
Why is this our problem?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 11:59 am to OBReb6
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Its all that matters, the present
Why is this our problem?
Shouldnt be.
Stop providing aid, let Israel take the gloves off.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I agree!
Why are we arguing?
Why are we arguing?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:05 pm to OBReb6
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I agree!
Why are we arguing?
I'm not.
I'm discussing.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 12:31 pm to OBReb6
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The difference is that in 1948 the Israelis forcefully and illegally drove the Palestinians out of their homes (in territory granted to Palestinians in the UN partition plan).
You keep saying that like Israel just up and decided to take their land one day. Arab forces from several countries attacked Israel in 1948, and Israel kicked their asses. shite like that happens when you attack a country.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:16 pm to troyt37
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You keep saying that like Israel just up and decided to take their land one day. Arab forces from several countries attacked Israel in 1948, and Israel kicked their asses. shite like that happens when you attack a country.
See this is what is so frustrating. You and many others repeat stuff like this so sure of yourself, when what you said is just blatantly false.
Zionist forces seized the Palestinian land BEFORE the 1948 Arab Israeli war. The Arab nations invaded in 1948 (once the British left) BECAUSE of the Zionist land grab and atrocities.
This action is known in Israeli history as “plan D”, here is a quote from the Wikipedia article:
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The plan was a set of guidelines to take control of Mandatory Palestine, declare a Jewish state, and defend its borders and people, including the Jewish population outside of the borders, "before, and in anticipation of" the invasion by regular Arab armies. Plan Dalet specifically included gaining control of areas wherever Yishuv populations existed, including those outside the borders of the Jewish state.
LINK
I don’t expect you to respond, but this really is a perfect example of how brainwashed people are. I’m surprised you didn’t also say “they’ve been fighting for thousands of years”.
ETA. Here’s the link to the article on the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which you referenced. Not the dates between the two different events.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:20 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:25 pm to OBReb6
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here is a quote from the Wikipedia article
Imagine citing Wiki this week of all weeks
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:25 pm to wutangfinancial
Is it false or is it not? Don’t be ridiculous
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:33 pm to OBReb6
LINK
Here’s you a link and a response. Note the dates. Arabs and Jews clashed upon adoption of the UN resolution (partitioning for a Palestinian state, btw) from November until May, when several Arab nations attacked upon Israel declaring independence.
If you and I are neighbors, and you tell me that on a certain date that you and several other neighbors are coming to kill me, you can bet on a couple of things: I’m going to be prepared to wreck your world before that date comes. And I’m going to do everything in my power to ensure you aren’t capable of coming to kill me on that date. FAFO.
Here’s you a link and a response. Note the dates. Arabs and Jews clashed upon adoption of the UN resolution (partitioning for a Palestinian state, btw) from November until May, when several Arab nations attacked upon Israel declaring independence.
If you and I are neighbors, and you tell me that on a certain date that you and several other neighbors are coming to kill me, you can bet on a couple of things: I’m going to be prepared to wreck your world before that date comes. And I’m going to do everything in my power to ensure you aren’t capable of coming to kill me on that date. FAFO.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:39 pm to troyt37
What you are linking is just the Zionists and Palestinians internal conflict prior to Israel being founded.
Here’s your initial quote, let’s look at it again.
Here you are implying they land grab came as a result of Arab forces from several countries (your own words) attacking the newly founded Israel.
What Israel did in reality was close to what you presented as a ridiculous notion (“up and decided to take their land one day”). We could argue back and forth on that but I’m not going to. It’s clear to me and nothing else needs to be said.
But on the matter of the other Arab forces invading, it happened after the land grab. You acted like it didn’t. Just admit you were wrong. It’s ok, millions of other people are wrong about this too.
Here’s your initial quote, let’s look at it again.
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You keep saying that like Israel just up and decided to take their land one day. Arab forces from several countries attacked Israel in 1948, and Israel kicked their asses. shite like that happens when you attack a country.
Here you are implying they land grab came as a result of Arab forces from several countries (your own words) attacking the newly founded Israel.
What Israel did in reality was close to what you presented as a ridiculous notion (“up and decided to take their land one day”). We could argue back and forth on that but I’m not going to. It’s clear to me and nothing else needs to be said.
But on the matter of the other Arab forces invading, it happened after the land grab. You acted like it didn’t. Just admit you were wrong. It’s ok, millions of other people are wrong about this too.
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