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re: Israel: 65% of all Aug covid related deaths are from vaccinated

Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:17 am to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:17 am to
Andexxa. Xigris. Veklury. Aduhelm.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 11:19 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108980 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:22 am to
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That settles it, now y’all can stop making 200 threads a day about it.



You have the right to skip any and all vaccine/covid threads, just as everyone else should have the right to take or not to take the vaccine.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:22 am to
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Korkstand


Inability to digest the science around your narrative falling apart I see
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:27 am to
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Inability to digest the science around your narrative falling apart I see


The "narrative" is not "falling apart". You and many others here just don't seem to grasp or care to grasp the very basics of data analysis.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7475 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:28 am to
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Inability to digest the science around your narrative falling apart I see



What tf are you talking about? Are more people in the hospital vaccinated or unvaccinated?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:13 pm to
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hubertcumberdale



How do you function in life with both wrists permanently limp?
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7878 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:22 pm to
For this to tell you much, you need to know the percentages of vaxed/unvaxed in each age cohort. The old are much more likely to die. Need to know what percentage of the old are vaccinated. Then compare outcomes within age cohorts.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:33 pm to
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For this to tell you much, you need to know the percentages of vaxed/unvaxed in each age cohort. The old are much more likely to die. Need to know what percentage of the old are vaccinated. Then compare outcomes within age cohorts.
I did this for ages 60+ deaths earlier in the thread. Someone also linked a good site that breaks the Israel data down into narrower age ranges, and it shows roughly 90% efficacy for the vaccines at preventing hospitalization. Nobody here wants to hear that, though.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9227 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:36 pm to
Yet Israel is fully committed to boosters, even talking about dose #4
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21120 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:42 pm to
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The deaths were probably people with co-morbidities who would’ve died from the virus regardless of vaccine status.



But this flies directly in the face of what we have been led to believe is the reason to take the vaccine in the first place!
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:49 pm to
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Yet Israel is fully committed to boosters, even talking about dose #4
Many vaccines work better after multiple doses. Most kids get 4 doses of polio vaccine before it approaches 99+% efficacy. Multiple doses of hep, mmr, etc. Many of them first dose is within the first year and then later doses after age 4 or so. This is extremely common with vaccines, baffling that people are concerned about it all of a sudden.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21120 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:54 pm to
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baffling that people are concerned about it all of a sudden.



That's part of the issue...the sudden nature of the vaccine. It has not been time tested like some of the others plus the vaccines are known to have issues with reactions as well as using elements that are new to the scene and don't have much of a track record. I am, by the same token, baffled as to why the pushy pro-vaxx type can't grasp why folks just don't want to rush to get something shot into their body that is in essence still experimental.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7475 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 1:24 pm to
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How do you function in life with both wrists permanently limp?



Damn bro, sick burn, how did you come up with something so equally hilarious and original?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:00 pm to
Bro?

Along with "dude", sign of stupidity.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3573 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:37 pm to
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and it shows roughly 90% efficacy for the vaccines at preventing hospitalization.


Personally.. I think the medical community, cdc and politicians are not labeling this "vaccine" correctly.

Given the efficacy you just articulated and the fact that even if the "vaccine" does prevent you from being tested covid positive you can still "spread" it.. I would label this as some form of pre-treatment therapy (just pulling a random term for purpose of example..) rather than a vaccine.

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26513 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 4:45 pm to
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How many Israelis were vaccinated and how many were not?

If 95% of the population was vaccinated, I could easily see more dying that were vaccinated because we know the vaccination is only 90% effective at most.



Yep. And there is no data on what else was going on like the number who were immune system compromised for things like AIDS, chemotherapy cancer treatment, diabetes and other serious comorbidities.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 9/7/21 at 6:05 pm to
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Personally.. I think the medical community, cdc and politicians are not labeling this "vaccine" correctly.

Given the efficacy you just articulated and the fact that even if the "vaccine" does prevent you from being tested covid positive you can still "spread" it.. I would label this as some form of pre-treatment therapy (just pulling a random term for purpose of example..) rather than a vaccine.
Many of the vaccines that we use require multiple doses, often times two a few months apart followed by a third booster years later. Some we give four doses. These vaccines work just like most of the others that we have. These new antivaxers are pulling all kinds of shite out of their asses.
Posted by LossOfBasicLogic
Member since Sep 2021
1 post
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:17 pm to
"The "narrative" is not "falling apart". You and many others here just don't seem to grasp or care to grasp the very basics of data analysis."

Proceeds to manipulate the entirety of the scientific data by including uninfected, not sick people, not dying or getting critically infected by a disease they don't have...

"Per 100k".

Just had to make an account and week old necro this because the hypocritical irony was just too much to not call out.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26513 posts
Posted on 9/14/21 at 2:25 pm to
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It looks like the biggest takeaway is 60+ is nearly exclusively the one's dying. I’d like to see the 80+ numbers; I’d bet they’re the vast majority of the totals. And likely “with” vs “from”.


That's what has been known since the Diamond Princess became the perfect petri dish in its quarantine. It is astounding that so many dem govs thought putting covid patients in nursing homes was a "civil rights" issue.

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