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re: Is Trump afraid to release the UFO information he learned? (JFK files intertwined)
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:35 am to Jake88
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:35 am to Jake88
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Nah
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind and have your own belief(s). If you consider yourself a true student of science and the pursuit of the truth, you should trade in your credentials and go join whatever priesthood align with your base beliefs.
Not attacking you directly, Jake, but many people here have thrown out the cult label. A cult would tend to reject all competing ideas or broader possibilities to the paradigm that they believe in. If you read many threads closely, they are definitely a sub group of people who very much behave in cultish manners.
Many people throwing out the cult label are actually part of the modern, secular cult of scientism. Anything to the contrary challenges their “religion”
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:39 am to TBoy
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The distance between our planet any any other possible occupied planet is so incredibly vast that we will never encounter other intelligent life.
What makes you think “we’re” intelligent. Humans share 98% of DNA with chimps. Just that 2% is the difference between them stealing bananas and humans inventing spaceships. We could share 99.9% of DNA with intelligent life and if they’re just 0.1% above us they’d be drastically smarter.
If we did encounter them, it’d be because they found us. In which case they wouldn’t think of us as anything even close to intelligent.
They’d look at us as microbes.
And you’re right we can’t travel but it’s highly likely we’ll be able to bend space time at some point in existence assuming the world is still around.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:41 am to ThinePreparedAni
I don't think you're a cultist, you just really, really want to believe
. You and I are only separated by levels of incredulity. And, that I'm no longer interested in getting into the weeds. When they announce their presence I'll take note.
. You and I are only separated by levels of incredulity. And, that I'm no longer interested in getting into the weeds. When they announce their presence I'll take note.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:43 am to TBoy
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Cult.
Your argument will be under-served and your personal cred mocked with a powerless response/critique holding the weight of rational/logical substance of the which a 5 yr. could offer. 'Flat Earth' clingers own 'pot meet kettle re just who and or which ideas are a "cult". We are 'ants' in regard to imagining and knowing what this infinite Universe holds.
Carry on. Good luck.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:44 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Everybody wants to talk about the JFK files, but I think that is an ant hill compared to the Mount Everest sized significance any extra terrestrial life info would be.
This is stuff my 80 year old aunt would write about on facebook.
We haven’t found traces of extraterrestrial life outside of possible microbes on Mars. If another species somewhere in the galaxy had the technology to come to earth we would see them. Earth has resources out the arse. They’d be coming back regularly.
If they have the technology to travel that far, that means they’re 1000000x smarter than we are, they’d likely look at us like we look at bees, or ants. Look what we do to bees. We take their honey. Earth has a shite load of resources. They’d be taking our shite left and right.
Do you think the government signed a deal behind closed doors saying “hey, our people can’t handle the truth, so don’t come back… OK see ya”
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:46 am to ThinePreparedAni
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If you consider yourself a true student of science and the pursuit of the truth
Scientifically, there has been no interesting or convincing evidence for the existence of intelligent life anywhere we've cared to look.
Scientifically, complex intelligent life appears to be an aberration, by all methods of research.
The lack of evidence isn't evidence it doesn't exist, but scientifically, there are considerations that make it almost certain that there isn't life beyond single cell organisms anywhere near us.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:48 am to Jake88
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I'm no longer interested in getting into the weeds.
Then why are you here
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:56 am to TBoy
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The distance between our planet any any other possible occupied planet is so incredibly vast that we will never encounter other intelligent life.
Based on our current technology you would be correct. Look at how much we have progressed in the last 1000 years. Imagine where we will be in another 100,000 years (if we dont blow ourselves up first).
There could be species out there that are far older than we are, and understand physics better. We think there is a limit to speed (less than the speed of light) but when the Romans controlled the world they probably thought we would never be able to fly from one city to another much less put a man on the moon.
With there being trillions of stars in the universe, most with planets around them, I believe that somewhere there is life. We should hope that those aliens are peaceful because if they have the ability to travel those vast distances they would be able to destroy us without any real effort.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:57 am to JackieTreehorn
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Didn’t Trump say if we had access to this stuff we wouldn’t release it either? Must be horrific.
And maybe its not the IC or deep state telling him not to release the info.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:58 am to Proximo
quote:Because I can read this thread, post and not get into the weeds.
Then why are you here
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:59 am to GRTiger
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Scientifically, there has been no interesting or convincing evidence for the existence of intelligent life anywhere we've cared to look.
So why is our Government and Trump so damn convinced that hiding evidence which proves that "intelligent life" entities are not real would be so bad if we knew it? This alone stinks to high heaven in regard to trust in our 'leadership'.
There is a dead rat in our Government-trust relationship and the smell won't go away until our Government proves that they are honest.
Trump should address this asap. "He that is faithful in little, is faithful in much". Truth and trust are the basis for support of the people, otherwise it's herding cats.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:00 am to GRTiger
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Scientifically, there has been no interesting or convincing evidence for the existence of intelligent life anywhere we've cared to look. Scientifically, complex intelligent life appears to be an aberration, by all methods of research.
Technically, you are correct (as the way we currently define science)
Science is limited by what we can perceive/detect/interpret. There are corner cases in science that often get ignored as aberrant, when instead should be viewed as our model of understanding (science) being incomplete.
That said, UAP has been viewed and recorded dating back into antiquity. It has been largely dismissed as our ability to understand/interpret it was rudimentary (hence it is not possible = cannot exist in current paradigm).
The other consideration is that it is more advanced than us and does not want to be readily detected.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:12 am to alphaandomega
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if they have the ability to travel those vast distances they would be able to destroy us without any real effort.
Why would they, as it looks like we will destroy ourselves. The very fact of their existence at such an advance level indicates that they have passed the "Great Filter"/Fermi Paradox obstacle and would likely view lower life forms such as Humanity from the perspective of a logical, spiritual, and respectful/reverent 'caretaker' pov.
Hell, I'm a primitive and in the Spirit of Love I'll almost go in the ditch to dodge a bird or turtle in the road. Or wantonly step on a bug. Bad bug criteria nws.
We have reached a point wherein we are barely able to know and choose what spiritual principle that we know and choose to embrace. We are "ripe to harvest", and ready for the judgment re "separating the wheat from the tares". If our *Leaders* do not see this, or cannot lead in regard to the coming scenario, then they will go away and be replaced with leaders that can. Likely leaders that bow and 'worship' at the Spiritual 'altar' of God (Self-Aware Energy as THE basis of Reality) of Love, and the Mercy of the Son of God/Savior, manifest as the Truth in Jesus Christ.
It's coming. Musk knows this. And many others will, soon enough.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:13 am to TBoy
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The distance between our planet any any other possible occupied planet is so incredibly vast that we will never encounter other intelligent life.
Says who?
You?
We just started flying airplanes with the Wright brothers. What’s that, 120ish or so years ago?
Look at the advances Elon and his company has made in a handful of years.
At this point in time, at our peak level of knowledge, we could be considered to be a primitive society compared to a civilization that could be thousands of years older than ours.
One has to be incredibly arrogant and stupid to not think there’s something out there in the vastness that’s exponentially more advanced than us.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:13 am to RCDfan1950
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So why is our Government and Trump so damn convinced that hiding evidence which proves that "intelligent life" entities are not real would be so bad if we knew it? This alone stinks to high heaven in regard to trust in our 'leadership'.
I didn't get the impression that Trump believed we've encountered non-human life, even after reviewing some of the files.
The truth about these sightings could expose technology we possess that we don't want our enemies to know about. There are reasons beyond hiding ET from us.
The way science and odds work, it's way more likely that almost every solar system has intelligent life, or none except ours does, when compared to the idea that there are just a few civilizations out there that just happened to coexist with us. Based on the age of the universe and the lack of evidence that we are living in a Star Wars galaxy, it's much more reasonable to assume we've not encountered ETIL and the gov is just being shady for normal shady government reasons.
To be clear, it would be awesome and I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if an alien ship landed on the white house lawn tomorrow. I just think any claims of evidence of aliens is not scientific at this point.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:32 am to GRTiger
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The truth about these sightings could expose technology we possess that we don't want our enemies to know about. There are reasons beyond hiding ET from us.
Back when Transnational Progressives did not control our Defense Institutions, such a security bases would be logical, GR. But that is no more the case, as it is obvious that even our most advanced technology is shared with those whose political and religious ideology is no longer viewed as 'enemies'. But rather, fellow citizens of the World/Universe.
Transnational Progressive Ideology realizes that for Humanity to long endure, given the extraordinary advance of high tech, and from the social media which undermines economic ("social justice") mechanisms and societal unity, to the military mechanisms which serve to defend competing ideological Nations...there MUST be total control. DEI...or DIE is what they believe. The irony being that they are right. Please offer an argument to the contrary, as given the circumstances/societal dynamics, I cannot.
Ever since Madelyn Albright said that "we shouldn't be THE only Superpower", TPs have allowed the leaking/sharing of our most advanced high tech just like they left the door open for the fanatical and sociopathic shooters who tried to take out Trump. Trump being the point of the reactionary spear in defending 'Christian' ("inalienable Rights from God) Nationalism and Capitalism. Both Trump, MAGA and the Constitutional Republic must go in order for the total control TPs to do their lofty job. I.e., saving Humanity and Earth.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:36 am to Jake88
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I already assume we aren't alone in the entirety of the universe. They aren't here, but we aren't alone.
the Drake equation, not perfect, but a good start, I'd guess, points to the likelihood of there being many 1000's of times life has evolved to the intelligent level that can reach other stars.
And that was first derived before we knew of any exoplanets outside of our own solar system. I've lost count of how many we've discovered to date.
There's a vast difference, as I look at this topic, in admitting 'we are not alone' to concluding 'they're here, and have probably always been'.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:44 am to RCDfan1950
I appreciate your perspective, and I love this topic. I wish this was on the OT or a nerd board. I'd rather talk about the cosmos without the political context.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:45 am to TN Tygah
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Do you think the government signed a deal behind closed doors saying “hey, our people can’t handle the truth, so don’t come back… OK see ya"
I'm not 80, nor am I on Facebook.
But regarding this topic, I lean heavily towards the SETI idea of alien life, that if we find anything, it'll be a signal, either radio (less likely) or focused laser, or at least, chemical signatures suggesting a highly technical and advanced civilization well before we see any of them on our doorstep.
Most likely, we'd see the remnants of past alien life, long since extinct.
Just our own Milky Way is 100,000 + light years across, with 100's of billions of known stars. Everything seems to repeat, from galaxy to galaxy. Stars, nebula, planets, black holes, the same chemical properties, with some variations here and there, it's unlikely that we'd be the ONLY spec in this galaxy, among all the galaxies, where intelligent life happened.
Put that in your Facebook.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:48 am to SlidellCajun
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Just fyi There is an international treaty that calls for any nation with information on alien life or other proof of life outside of the planet earth to be revealed Guess what- to date- nothing Nada Zilch
You believe that?
You don’t think you’re being lied to, or information is being withheld from you?
Just going through Covid should’ve opened your eyes.
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