re: Is there such thing as a basic human right?

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will take it one at a time

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Every single “right” is only a right because the whimsical and flawed people in charge say it is. Every single one. All of them. No exceptions.

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Moral /ethical /political make your argument for the right.. healthcare, transportation, high ed
that the government provides free to all its citizens, or non-citizens if you want to make that a position, And I'm not assigning it to you i'm giving you the choice.

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These are rights granted by governments to certain individuals under certain conditions. They are not universal or innate. They are social constructs.

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Point out where I was wrong in saying that everyone in this country can walk into a hospital emergency room and get healthcare and they don't have to prove the ability to pay and they don't have to prove their residency

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Prove me wrong that no one in this country is homeless except by choice because there will be accommodations made for you if someone asks,

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you have my permission to make whatever claims you want. I don’t feel obligated to change your mind. I can confidently say that it is not possible to change your mind about this.

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... there has to be consensus for a human right to exist.

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Define "consensus."

And for this imaginary "consensus" to be applied to a tribe, village or nation, would the consensus of a simple "democratic" 51/49 majority suffice? 2/3? 3/4?

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author [Matthew Desmond] argued that housing should be viewed as a human right.

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Alrighty then.

So is Desmond arguing for "right" to be ceded land along with the freedom to build his own abode? Or rather is he claiming entitlement to have house built by others FOR HIM?

You have the right to loan your bike to a homeless guy. For a small fee of course…

Maybe the right to breathe and reproduce?

Careful she will throw at you that the Nazis denied people both as that inhumanity at practice and then she'll try to argue from the Hobbs point of view The condition of man . . . is a condition of war of everyone against everyone” as theory
If we point out that the Western Democracies as led by Great Britan and The U.S, united to fight Nazism

That's the game she keeps trying to play here

she wants to talk about facts as in

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poor people don't have the same access as the wealthy

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You disagree with me because you've never been poor



and then she wants to argue theory
when someone comes at her well heres an expirience or fact that calls into question your assertion


She wants to talk about homelessness or access to health care , even public transportation
and I've stated in this conversation that I have experienced
real-world experience as in making these programs available to people

and she wont address it She'll dismiss it as if I'm trying to change her mind or get her to change mine i'm not

just trying to have the conversation


Oh and Cubbies all save you the time the Soviet Union only committed to the fight after Nazi Germany broke the treaty

Great Britain committed to the fight after the invasion of Poland and after the failure of France despite the fact that Hitler would have negotiated a peace it wouldn't have lasted but they could have taken that choice and the United States came to the defense of Western democracy


Including those Northern European countries that now provide free health care and free transportation utopia
in large part due to the United States defeating fascism and giving those countries the ability to create their type of white socialism


But the USA is bad for women and children

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f you truly believe that they cant

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I never said they can’t. That’s why I’m confused. You’re asking me to defend claims I never made.

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Again I don't know how many times I have to say it I know you're not stupid you're also not being honest
And you using semantics and avoidance and attempted cleverness to disguise your inability or refusal I don't know which to have an honest discussion

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I’m not. You read way too much into my responses. I choose not to use “pro-life” and “pro-choice” because the issue isn’t about choices and no one will claim to be anti-life. It’s about abortion. Whether someone thinks abortions are ok or not. I’m anti-abortion.

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Make it easy on both of us and just outright tell me you are refusing to have this conversation with me

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it seems we are having two different conversations. .

Yeah you're trying to have a different conversation than the simple questions i've asked you


So take your pick
you wanna talk about health care and that we don't provide free health care n this country
we do

You wanna talk about homelessness and that we don't provide shelter to those that meet minimal requirements
we do


You wanna talk about public transportation that we don't provide free transportation
we do


And I can offer you both experienced factual tangible proof,, not just theory

but I can argue theory if you want

The taxpayers in this country are incredibly generous even if it's against their will


And you understandably defend truly poor people, the unhoused and uncarred in this country,
and say that many on here don't understand

well Cubby I'll tell you right now I exist on only disability and it's not because of the lack of funding that I can't access the programs there are These programs employ millions and cost billions and those employees who have not their job in my case for 4 years because the government does not work it's inefficient

to this day I still cannot get ar Dr appointment besides paying cash non insured not because there aren't programs for it in fact I am paying two hundred and twenty dollars a month out of my disability for Medicaid

but I can't get the card
because the government and bureaucracy does not work

and suggesting in practice or theory we should do more/spend more to fix it

that would be insane

That's my experience it is no theory

And I'm not trying to change your mind I don't imagine you care

that's my experience or not you've already made it very very clear you don't value me because you won't even address me in a direct respectful way

I just want to state again that I don’t believe there is such thing as basic human rights. I’ve never argued that healthcare or anything else is a right. I’m not “refusing to answer your questions.” You’re asking me explain why healthcare is a right when I never said it was a right. This is frankly exhausting.

Jesus titty fricking christ

I am not saying that health care is or isnt a right I'm not having that argument
I'm not arguing whether it's a right or it's not a right

I'm stating that people in this country the U,S, ,, not Sweden or the Netherlands or any other secular Eupoean Socialist county
can access all those things we do provide all those things

you've been bitching about people's inability to access healthcare
bitching about people's inability to address housing
batching about their inability to access public transport


they can

regardless of it being or not being a right
all they things you mention exist, FREE of charge provided a person make the attempt to meet minimal obligations

Now I'll repeat I cannot access the health care I am paying for because of government inefficiency but it does exist
it's just government doesn't work
there's a difference

Maybe it's not as clean or quaint or as accessible as Amsterdam
but that's because we have too many minorities and foreigners here

maybe you're not as smart as I've been giving you credit for