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re: Is the USA failing at education?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:55 am to TigerPlate
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:55 am to TigerPlate
The results of most elections will tell you that we are failing. Only idiots could be voting for evil Democrats like the numbers suggest. The Democrat politicians rely on stupidity of their voters, though.
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:57 am to wackatimesthree
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"If we just paid teachers more" or "If we opened up school choice" it would fix it.
Pouring more money into it has been proven ineffective, but to the extent it can be fixed and remain universally available, competition is the only thing I see that will make a dent. It may not fix it but it will improve it, and school choice is part of that.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:00 am to TigerPlate
This will be too simplistic, but what was ever wrong with a textbook, notebook, pen/pencil?
It is maddening to have everything on a Chromebook, no textbooks, having to log into google classroom to look at class materials, download and print slides, hunt down links to other resources, all to find what my elementary student did in class that day. I can't even see, or my student doesn't get to see most tests to see what they answered incorrectly to maybe just maybe review those mistakes.
It was much more efficient and easier to open to a chapter/section in a textbook.
They don't teach cursive and spelling anymore, much less handwriting. Don't get me started on early math, and stupid projects that the parent ends up doing because it's too advanced for the student. What 1st grader can build a robot from household items?
It is maddening to have everything on a Chromebook, no textbooks, having to log into google classroom to look at class materials, download and print slides, hunt down links to other resources, all to find what my elementary student did in class that day. I can't even see, or my student doesn't get to see most tests to see what they answered incorrectly to maybe just maybe review those mistakes.
It was much more efficient and easier to open to a chapter/section in a textbook.
They don't teach cursive and spelling anymore, much less handwriting. Don't get me started on early math, and stupid projects that the parent ends up doing because it's too advanced for the student. What 1st grader can build a robot from household items?
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 7:02 am
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:00 am to WylieTiger
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It is maddening to have everything on a Chromebook, no textbooks, having to log into google classroom to look at class materials, download and print slides, hunt down links to other resources, all to find what my elementary student did in class that day. I can't even see, or my student doesn't get to see most tests to see what they answered incorrectly to maybe just maybe review those mistakes.
This this and this. It gets worse in high school. My son’s AP Chem teacher actually makes them watch videos during class and do classwork.
IOW…no real teaching. And this particular teacher has her PhD in chemistry. It’s so maddening. The system is so effd, I doubt it could ever be fixed without dramatic changes
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:05 am to dickkellog
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again two primary demographics who do not place a high value on family structure or education, make everyone look bad on paper.
But they still exist and aren't going anywhere.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:30 am to TigerPlate
Many of you are going to claim the US is failing in education.....might want to chill on that. Because american whites ranked only behind Singapore, Taiwan and Japan in 2022 on the PISA performance scores and US Asians ranked 1st
this myth that we are failing comes from the test scores of Black and Hispanic americans.
the graph below even removes 1st & 2nd gen immigrants and still the Hispanic American population is struggling which makes sense when you look at overall IQs of countries and countries of origin.
also please dont attack me for simply giving the Stats.
this myth that we are failing comes from the test scores of Black and Hispanic americans.
the graph below even removes 1st & 2nd gen immigrants and still the Hispanic American population is struggling which makes sense when you look at overall IQs of countries and countries of origin.
also please dont attack me for simply giving the Stats.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:32 am to Wally Sparks
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But they still exist and aren't going anywhere.
But why force them to go to school, a place they don't care anything about being?
Why allow their (self) limited capacity to lower the bar for everyone else?
It's not like they're learning anything now for being forced to go. Something like 2/3 of the adult American population reads at below sixth grade level now. 1 in 5 high school graduates can't read at all.
Forcing children to go to school who have no motivation to learn isn't working.
I mean, if you want to maintain the status quo through sixth grade or so, o.k.
But after that, it should no longer be compulsory.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:33 am to lsu777
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also please dont attack me for simply giving the Stats.
The problem is that you (not you personally) can't wish away the demographics that are included.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:33 am to wackatimesthree
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But why force them to go to school, a place they don't care anything about being?
Why allow their (self) limited capacity to lower the bar for everyone else?
It's not like they're learning anything now for being forced to go. Something like 2/3 of the adult American population reads at below sixth grade level now. 1 in 5 high school graduates can't read at all.
Forcing children to go to school who have no motivation to learn isn't working.
I mean, if you want to maintain the status quo through sixth grade or so, o.k.
But after that, it should no longer be compulsory.
I agree.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:34 am to WylieTiger
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This will be too simplistic, but what was ever wrong with a textbook, notebook, pen/pencil?
It is maddening to have everything on a Chromebook, no textbooks, having to log into google classroom to look at class materials, download and print slides, hunt down links to other resources, all to find what my elementary student did in class that day. I can't even see, or my student doesn't get to see most tests to see what they answered incorrectly to maybe just maybe review those mistakes.
dude other than math, the chrome book is much more effecient
stop being a boomer
kids need to be as familiar as possible with the computer
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They don't teach cursive and spelling anymore, much less handwriting.
you say this and then want to talk about efficiency? wtf? Everything and I mean everything is on a computer now. Why would we teach cursive when nobody has used it in 2 decades? should we teach hieroglyphics too?
and they still teach spelling and handwriting. Maybe go to a better school.
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Don't get me started on early math, and stupid projects that the parent ends up doing because it's too advanced for the student. What 1st grader can build a robot from household items?
we agree on these things but what do you mean early math? mine still learns traditionally in math other than quizzes being on the CPU.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:35 am to Wally Sparks
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The problem is that you (not you personally) can't wish away the demographics that are included.
who said anythign about wishing them away?
just dont send your kid to a government school so you can choose who they are around.
pretty simple actually.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:42 am to BayouBengal51
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You can't have doctors and engineers if there are no welders, electricians, plumbers, etc to build out infrastructure for them. And if you are good at those trades, you can make a damn good life for yourself that pays you a very good income.
Not everyone is cut out for college and needs to chase a masters, bachelors, etc... and it is time to show there is no shame in that, and that the trades are valuable and needed.
i agree with this part
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We need to adopt a system similar to what Germany uses. About middle school age, kids are tested and then they are pushed to either a trades dedicated track or a more advanced/white collar track. They do a good job of assessing their students strengths and tutoring to that. They even offer a chance later on to change your track via testing, but their system is pretty much on the money in regards to what a students best interest is.
Parents would whine here though, because they would feel that the system is insulting their child. The obsession with having to go to college to be something has got to end. It's putting millions of people in debt and not teaching most of them any real skills.
i do not agree with this part.
I dont want the government or any group of teachers choosing shite for my kid. they have proven themselves incapabale
and how has that system worked in germany? Let me answer that for you....like shite. their overall quality of life would be considered poverty level here and they continue to vote further and further left....some great system
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Parents would whine here though, because they would feel that the system is insulting their child. The obsession with having to go to college to be something has got to end. It's putting millions of people in debt and not teaching most of them any real skills.
well for 1, the government hasnt proven they are capable of choosing shite
but this is such a myth overall. less than 30% of people in Louisiana have a bachelors. So 2/3rds of the population could go be all the trades you named. Have plenty of people
thing is, you dont want them. you want the high iq people to go into that. I can tell you from experience...being in the trades does not provide some "damn good life". sounds great until you are 45 and broken down. exactly why i went back to school in my 20s.
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