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re: Is it time to get rid of death penalty also?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:18 pm to WinnPtiger
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:18 pm to WinnPtiger
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newsflash, you’re going to “pay for it” whether we let the state decide life and death or not
I don't support the current system of 15 appeals over 15 years.
Swing and a miss.
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:22 pm to Azkiger
I didn’t even take a swing. you’re narrowing in on a segment of the prison population that is so microscopic, the statistical difference in cost is effectively zero. we can meet in the middle and say anyone convicted of a capital crime can be killed by the victims family, but I’m not sure there’s anything you could say that would put me in the camp of allowing the US government to be the arbiter of life and death. period
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:25 pm to WinnPtiger
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you’re narrowing in on a segment of the prison population that is so microscopic, the statistical difference in cost is effectively zero
Good, so you'd have no issue being taxed more to pay for their life sentences.
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we can meet in the middle and say anyone convicted of a capital crime can be killed by the victims family member, but I’m not sure there’s anything you could say that would put me in the camp of the allowing the US government to be the arbiter of life and death. period
If the victim's family are allowed to kill them, then that suggests that the US government will not prosecute the family for murder, which suggests a state-sanctioned killing. It seems you've created a distinction without a difference.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:25 pm to Tvilletiger
No
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:26 pm to Tvilletiger
Y u mad bro?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:28 pm to CommieHater
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the SCOTUS just ended the death penalty for unborn humans.
You’re destined to be disappointed. There’s still going to be plenty of abortions.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:32 pm to Azkiger
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Good, so you'd have no issue being taxed more to pay for their life sentences.
the ones were already paying for? how many people do you think are executed every year?
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seems you've created a distinction without a difference.
I think resolving an issue locally without the intervention of a Federal state is a pretty big distinction, but we’ll have to agree to disagree.
and for whatever it’s worth, I’d absolutely be happy with a tax increase to build more prisons, fund more non-Soros DA’s, and actually prosecute crimes
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:33 pm to Tvilletiger
Personlally yes, it should be done away with, but will never go that far
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:37 pm to WinnPtiger
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how many people do you think are executed every year?
More than enough that you're not raising your hand to fund their continued existence.
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I think resolving an issue locally without the intervention of a Federal state is a pretty big distinction
I think you've missed my point.
If I killed your family, and the state/Federal government looked the other way, would you think that my actions were "sanctioned by the state/Feds"?
Your suggestion that we "meet in the middle" and let the victim's family kill the perp is a difference without a distinction with respect to just letting the state/Feds kill them.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:41 pm to Azkiger
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More than enough that you're not raising your hand to fund their continued existence.
you may want to google that. you might be surprised
and you must be pro choice then?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:43 pm to WinnPtiger
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you may want to google that. you might be surprised
So you are raising your hand to pay their room and board, then?
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and you must be pro choice then?
How does that follow from what I've said so far?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:43 pm to Tvilletiger
yes
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:47 pm to Azkiger
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So you are raising your hand to pay their room and board, then?
again, we’re already paying for it, death penalty or not. until you actually look up how many people we execute annually, the cost is irrelevant.
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How does that follow from what I've said so far?
the death penalty and abortion are both currently legal. that’s a distinction without difference in my mind. the sins against humanity by the criminal are immaterial, both are forms of state sanctioned murder. and I abhor both
and again, I’m not trying to “dunk on you”. I’m just trying to talk something out for clarity
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:50 pm to WinnPtiger
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again, we’re already paying for it
I don't want to pay for it, so you can pick up the bill yourself.
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the death penalty and abortion are both currently legal.
You didn't start off debating what *IS* legal, you started off debating what should be legal.
So try again.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:53 pm to Azkiger
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don't want to pay for it, so you can pick up the bill yourself.
that’s great. you already are, and will continue to do so
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You didn't start off debating what *IS* legal, you started off debating what should be legal.
granted.
so now we’re exactly where we started. every dollar taken out of your paycheck is going to continue paying for these life sentences regardless of your opinion
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:54 pm to Tvilletiger
The older I get the less I trust the government with the power to determine who lives and dies.
I don’t have any moral objection to capital punishment. If you murder a child I really don’t care if they drag you out back and shoot you the moment the conviction comes down. I just worry more and more about granting the government the power to do that to its citizens, particularly in light of the numerous cases of death row exonerations since the introduction of DNA evidence. Moreover, one day the power to execute its citizens could be in the hands of a government that wants certain people gone.
I don’t have any moral objection to capital punishment. If you murder a child I really don’t care if they drag you out back and shoot you the moment the conviction comes down. I just worry more and more about granting the government the power to do that to its citizens, particularly in light of the numerous cases of death row exonerations since the introduction of DNA evidence. Moreover, one day the power to execute its citizens could be in the hands of a government that wants certain people gone.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:56 pm to FooManChoo
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No. Death penalty is a matter of justice. Abortion is not.
Sure, but you genuinely believe the federal and various state governments orchestrated a plot to steal a presidential election. Do you REALLY trust those same entities to appropriately hand out death sentences?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 11:56 pm to WinnPtiger
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that’s great. you already are, and will continue to do so
Are we discussing the way things are, or the way they ought to be?
If it's the former, then we have no disagreement. Yes, I am paying. But I don't feel I ought to be paying.
You seem to be the opposite.
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so now we’re exactly where we started.
Only because you were slow on the uptake. You started off arguing what should be, couldn't substantiate it, and retreated to arguing the way things currently are.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:03 am to Azkiger
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Are we discussing the way things are, or the way they ought to be? If it's the former, then we have no disagreement. Yes, I am paying. But I don't feel I ought to be paying.
I presume it could be both, but the former is probably where I’d land. so you’re right, we have no disagreement there. I let the lines get crossed in the respect, and that’s my folly.
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Only because you were slow on the uptake. You started off arguing what should be, couldn't substantiate it, and retreated to arguing the way things currently are.
again, granted.
I only attempt to substantiate it with the principles my faith dictate. in a practical manner, I would skip the trial for 90% of violent criminals and advocate for one temple shot. but I don’t think I’ll ever get there on an existential level
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 12:04 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:09 am to Tvilletiger
It’s funny, all these people who routinely bash “soros DAs” and have next to zero trust in the government at any level, trust our government to take the life of an American citizen.
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