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re: Is 'Collusion with Russia' over?

Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Geauxst Writer
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
4960 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:41 pm to
Don Jr. admitted to collusion, Jared is going to get indicted, and Trump himself will avoid collusion but his underlines will go down. No this is not over.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
44007 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:41 pm to
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It never was a thing but the media has been playing it up to undermine President Trump.


Correct.

BTW does anyone else remember the media and the liberals on here (especially Rex) saying that FNC and the republicans were committing treason by trying to undermine Obama?

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The reason why we aren't hearing about it right now is because those in the mainstream media are attempting a Hail Mary pass to turn the people of this country in favor of gun control.



Also true

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They'll be back on the subject of Russia collusion in another week or two.




Nah, DACA expires on 3/6/18 and the SCOTUS is suppose to take the case up around then. I predict that we will be back on muh Russians around St. Patty's day.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 12:48 pm to
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it would be nice if the media and liberals would be honest with and tell us the truth. The truth is the Mueller's investigation is not about Russian collusion anymore.

When are you people going to learn that it's always just been about how the Russians may have interfered with the election - whether or not that involved collusion with the Trump campaign.

If Trump is indeed innocent of colluding with the Russians, he should be saying something like, "I support the investigation by the FBI to get to the bottom of any meddling by the Russians - or any other foreign power - in our elections. I will use the full power of my office to protect our sovereignty from any foreign intrusion."

But he's not.

He doth protest too much...



....me thinks.
Posted by Grobins
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
157 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:01 pm to
You know, this is a profound question. As a moderate, I look at both sides as objectively as possible to not sway my opinion. Both sides create compelling arguments and want a microwave decision on something that will lead to real consequences for our country. But, at the end of the day, Mueller is a straight shooter and won't play his hand which is frustrating the many speculators to death.

Sadly, no matter what conclusion Mueller comes to, it will be received by a divided country ready to dig in deeper on the side they prefer. Which also means he better his case as ironclad as possible. My mind tells me he will provide the hard truth, with no bias, as this is probably his last service to America before he rides off into the sunset. His country and reputation is on the line and the last thing he will do is play politics with either. The stakes are too high.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:02 pm to
The kook left has their kook base enraged and cannot control them is this was ever declared over
Posted by Armchair_QB
Member since Aug 2013
1512 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:13 pm to
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Two of Trump's highest aides were told in secret meetings by Russian agents that they had stolen emails from Clinton and the DNC.

If Trump then personally approved of the use of those stolen emails against Clinton, or even if he knew of this without contacting the FBI, well, that not only violates campaign and espionage laws it also constitutes treason.

My surmise is that Mueller is investigating those very questions right now... and that Rick Gates plays heavily into that investigation as a witness. And it's extremely obvious that Trump is crapping his pants right now. Yesterday the Orange Buffoon ramped up his rhetoric, calling the Mueller investigation "illegal" for the first time. Well, that's a lie and an opinion with which even people like Trey Gowdy don't agree... and it indicates that Trump is laying the groundwork for attempting to fire Mueller and to issue pardons to Manafort, Gates, Flynn, etc. An innocent person would not be so nervous


Keep fricking that chicken.
Posted by Armchair_QB
Member since Aug 2013
1512 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:17 pm to
If this investigation was about rooting out collusion, they’d be looking at both sides. But the fact they are giving the DNC a pass proves this is a partisan witch hunt that is doing more damage to this country than a Russian meme farm could ever hope to cause.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21932 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 1:25 pm to
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Don Jr. admitted to collusion, Jared is going to get indicted
lol what? I guess if you believe hard enough anything is possible
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 2:36 pm to
You forgot the most important part here as to what Mueller is likely to do.

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At the very least, I believe, Mueller intends to demonstrate that FBI and Justice Department suspicions about possible collusion were reasonable, even if there is no criminal case to be made against the president or his campaign. Although it is highly unlikely that Trump will be accused of a collusion crime, Mueller intends to illustrate that he showed appalling judgment in putting his campaign in the hands of Manafort and Gates, who were up to their necks in collusion with agents of Putin’s regime.


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Second, and more likely, Mueller will want to defend the investigative decisions made by the FBI and the Justice Department — institutions he served at the highest levels for many years.


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Yet Mueller could be endeavoring to make a record that the FBI and Justice Department acted reasonably, albeit over-anxiously, when they credited the reporting of Steele — a source they understandably trusted from prior experience, who was reporting suspicions that were plausible in light of the Manafort and Gates history. Mueller could be contemplating a report that portrays as justifiable the Obama administration’s use of the law-enforcement and intelligence apparatus of government to investigate the presidential campaign of the opposition party.

In short, the special counsel may be preparing to argue that the Obama officials were acting on rational suspicions, not partisan politics. He may be laying the groundwork to argue that, while political, law-enforcement, and intelligence officials made mistakes, the main culprit was Trump’s judgment in recruiting Manafort and Gates — particularly under circumstances in which the candidate was already publicly flattering Putin in an unseemly way.


The Mueller Investigation is a cover up for corruption and white washing the DOJ and FBI illegal and unethical behavior and making sure it does not follow back to Obama.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:13 pm to
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Even if it wasn't about adoptions, gathering opposition research from foreign countries is not illegal or an impeachable offense.

Yea it is illegal for a campaign to accept anything of value from a foreigner, including opposition research.

It seems Mueller is having trouble connecting the Hillary emails to Russia, because that would make it over and done.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33200 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:14 pm to
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Yea it is illegal for a campaign to accept anything of value from a foreigner, including opposition research.


The irony is so thick
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 3:47 pm to
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Yea it is illegal for a campaign to accept anything of value from a foreigner, including opposition research.

The irony is so thick


Yes it is.

It's a good thing for Hillary that she paid for hers.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:13 pm to
The only people who ever believed there was Trump-Russia collusion were middle aged women who watched CNN and college educated soi bois who could not understand why the Alpha Male won.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
44007 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:22 pm to
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Don Jr. admitted to collusion,


No he did not and I guess you are another dumbass liberal that is ignoring the deputy AG saying on live TV that there is no evidence that any American had knowledge of or willfully colluded with the Russians.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:27 pm to
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Mueller's boss flat out said that no American (which includes POTUS) had any knowledge or wittingly participated in collusion with Russia.

I guess you heard you wanted to hear because NO that is not what he said.

What he said was that nobody mentioned IN THAT PARTICULAR indictment willingly participated.

But you can always hope, can't you?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85915 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:28 pm to
Rex finding liars the world over.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13411 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:32 pm to
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If Trump is indeed innocent of colluding with the Russians, he should be saying something like, "I support the investigation by the FBI to get to the bottom of any meddling by the Russians - or any other foreign power - in our elections. I will use the full power of my office to protect our sovereignty from any foreign intrusion."

bullshite.

If I was innocent and had to put up with this sham investigation (to this point) that has financially destroyed many people I know I'd be so fricking pissed. I would never send any tweets endorsing it in any way.

Won't deny that if I was guilty I'd probably be doing the same thing though.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
44007 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:17 pm to
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Mueller's boss flat out said that no American (which includes POTUS) had any knowledge or wittingly participated in collusion with Russia.

I guess you heard you wanted to hear because NO that is not what he said.

What he said was that nobody mentioned IN THAT PARTICULAR indictment willingly participated.


That dog head must be cutting off the blood supply to your brain because that is not what he said.

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Rosenstein said that no Americans had any knowledge of the operation listed in this indictment and that the operation had no impact on the outcome of the election.



Sorry dogboy you are still wrong, but if you don't want to read somebody else's interpretation here is the actually quote from the transcript.

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ROSENSTEIN: Again, there's no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge. And the nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists, even going so far as to base their activities on a virtual private network here in the United States so, if anybody traced it back to that first jump, they appeared to be Americans.
LINK

Another thing that proves that your interpretations is wrong and the you are full of shite. If RR was limiting his quote why would he use the term any Americans when none of the 13 individuals listed in the indictment are Americans?
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:20 pm to
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Don Jr. admitted to collusion,


Could you link the collusion statute please. I'll wait.

Also do you know the federal sentencing guidelines for the crime of collusion?
Again I'll wait.

TexRidder has brought shame to a great American name. She has done this by repeating her fantasies as fact and lying like a dog at every opportunity. To be fair all leftists on this board, and the world, do it but her actions are particularly repugnant due to her connection with a great American family name. She should be forced to take a more appropriate username such as Judas or Benedict.
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:22 pm to
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If RR was limiting his quote why would he use the term any Americans when none of the 13 individuals listed in the indictment are Americans?

Because he specifically mentioned that some Americans had unwittingly aided them.

But you got right on wishing, OK?
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