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re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:36 am to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:36 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:
the funneling of resources and manpower into northwestern and western Iraq has probably drained the resources of ISIS as they have concentrated on this blitzkrieg. If I were Assad in Syria, I'd attack with a swiftness right now, as ISIS are probably vulnerable in northern and eastern Syria. I expect to see it within the next few days, and ISIS will be fighting a two front war with relatively limited resources soon.
I haven't followed this latest outbreak of Muslims killing other Muslims too closely because I've been busy saving the world from St George and MoSleepingGrayTigerBack in other threads, so I'm going to ask what's probably a really stupid question: Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:44 am to LSURussian
quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Correct.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:45 am to Lakeboy7
quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Correct.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:45 am to Lakeboy7
quote:quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Correct.
"Nuke the entire thing from orbit" is sounding more and more like the right option.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:46 am to LSURussian
quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Are there really any "good guys" in the middle east?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:The Juuuuuuuussssss?
Are there really any "good guys" in the middle east?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:49 am to LSURussian
quote:
The Juuuuuuuussssss?
Now you gone and done it.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:50 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:52 am to LSURussian
quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
No - they are bad guys, period. The fact they are fighting other bad guys in Syria doesn't change that. Our government taking this seemingly contradictory position doesn't change that.
It is AQ on steroids.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:53 am to LSURussian
quote:
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Here is a summary:
You got the U.S. who is backing the Sunni's in Syria but backing the Shia in Iraq and have a solid relationship with the Kurds as well. To complicate matters they are feuding with the Shia's in Iran but are allies with the Sunni's in Saudi Arabia. To make things even more complicated, they overthrew the Sunni's in Iraq and installed the Shia which kickstarted this whole process.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:55 am to blowmeauburn
quote:
You got the U.S. who is backing the Sunni's in Syria but backing the Shia in Iraq and have a solid relationship with the Kurds as well. To complicate matters they are feuding with the Shia's in Iran but are allies with the Sunni's in Saudi Arabia. To make things even more complicated, they overthrew the Sunni's in Iraq and installed the Shia which kickstarted this whole process.
frick all that. We should just back the Kurds and call it a day.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:01 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Are there really any "good guys" in the middle east?
The Kurds
Mostly Westernized, educated, well-developed people who are friendly to Americans and kick arse to anyone who tried to mess with them.
My terp was a Kurd - loved that dude and still keep in touch with him.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Kurds, no whey!
We should just back the Kurds and call it a day.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:06 am to AbuTheMonkey
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The Kurds
Mostly Westernized, educated, well-developed people who are friendly to Americans and kick arse to anyone who tried to mess with them.
My terp was a Kurd - loved that dude and still keep in touch with him
See my last post.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:36 am to Matrixman
quote:Says the guy who can't stop bashing the Obama Administration (and rightfully so, BTW).
Then why is this a reply to my post?
Because I'm not as cynical as you are...that's why.
You know, you guys really crack me up. You constantly bitch and moan about government, then when I come in and pile on, I get called cynical or worse.
You folks really are a joke.
It is YOUR ignorance and narcissism which enables these wars for profit.
It is YOUR ignorance and narcissism which allows freedom-hating motherfrickers like Obama (and those before him) to be President.
I am sick and tired of taking the blame on this board for your goddamned stupidity.
You want to go halfway across the globe to kill and be killed so some rich, greedy bastard can pocket his next fortune? - fine, more power to you. But don't come back here with your bleeding-heart tales of how a handful of folks actually bettered themselves for it.
Save it for the next circle jerk on this board.
I am sick and tired of you bleeding-hearts acting like you're the savior of the planet when all you've really done is perpetuate death and destruction by unwittingly fund the next big "business venture" while leaving a trail of blood along the way (ours and "theirs").
quote:And if you think it takes the United States Military 13-plus years to do so, then you're even dumber than your post would indicate.
I believe we were motivated to go to that region because we knew the only way to prevent another 9/11 {remember this was the second attack on the WTC} was to wipe Al Qaeda off the face of the earth.
And while you're at it, tell me again who created, trained and funded Al Qaeda in the first place, and why we continue to fund it today?
quote:I've talked to a few personally. One in particular whom I consider a friend. He was given a medal by President Bush for bravery, saving many lives that day. He also tells a very different tale about what happened that day.
Let me ask you this? Have you taken the time to read the description of what happened [and the terrible experiences] of our fellow Americans trapped in those twin towers.
quote:This is the type of ignorance that must be dealt with if anything is ever going to change in this country.
One of the proudest moments as an American was when I watched all those young men and woman standing at parade rest around the outer perimeter of that Aircraft Carrier Deck as they went off to hunt and destroy the demons who did this to us.
quote:Radical ANYTHING is evil.
Radical Islam is an evil religion
quote:You know how I know you didn't live through the Vietnam Era?
Now if you insist on saying it's all about money, that's your right. I disagree.....imo it's about an oppressive religion that seeks to DOMINATE the world and force your wife, mother and daughter to wear a Burka, AND force our women to undergo sexual mutilation. Radical Islam must be destroyed.....or it will destroy us.
quote:Perhaps you should politely ask your representative to see that we stop funding terrorism around the world. Just a thought.
Thanks to Obama [and cynics like you}....the radical islamic jihadist are dancing in the streets tonight, and about to capture Baghdad.
P.S. To be honest, I don't give a flying frick about Baghdad. And if not for oil and a dollar backed by thin air, neither would anyone else.
Oh, and thanks a bunch for contributing to my personal debt.
ETA: Your heart is in the right place....your head has A LOT of catching up to do.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:05 am to Lsut81
“Every asset of the nation must be applied to the conflict to bring about a quick and successful outcome, or don’t do it."
“We’re in the midst of another struggle where it appears to me we haven’t learned very much.”
Who said this?
“We’re in the midst of another struggle where it appears to me we haven’t learned very much.”
Who said this?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:26 am to blowmeauburn
quote:Well, c'mon now, you can't very well use your same terrori...errrrrrrr....freedom-fighters in every game. They change up defending on who you've compromised and who you can control. Isn't that how the game is played?
Is ISIS in Syria the good guys but in Iraq they are the bad guys?
Here is a summary:
You got the U.S. who is backing the Sunni's in Syria but backing the Shia in Iraq and have a solid relationship with the Kurds as well. To complicate matters they are feuding with the Shia's in Iran but are allies with the Sunni's in Saudi Arabia. To make things even more complicated, they overthrew the Sunni's in Iraq and installed the Shia which kickstarted this whole process.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:41 pm to TX Tiger
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ETA: Your heart is in the right place....your head has A LOT of catching up to do
A LOT of catching up to do? Well excuse me. I'll say it again, contrary to your cynical attitude, I believe the War of Terror was motived by a realization we had no choice but to take the war to the enemy at [or near] his base of operations.
But let me get back to your orginal argument that all this War of Terror was about money. You are correct....money was a contributing factor [or lack thereof] in both attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC). After the first attack on the WTC in 1993, the FBI drove Ramzi Yousef [the mastermind of the first attack on the WTC] to the World Trade Center. There an FBI agent pointed to the WTC and said to Yousef, "See, it's still standing". Yousef reportedly responded, "IF I HAD A LITTLE MORE MONEY, IT WOULDN'T BE [standing]." Apparently Al Qaeda was able to acquire the funds to execute the second attack successfully. A lot of innocent people in the WTC and elsewhere died.
Dude, this meltdown at Iraq is a really bad omen. Whether your twisted logic prevents you from seeing the real danger we're in, OR not is your problem. I live in the world of facts, and reality, not in the world of delusion and theory that has no connection with reality. I also consider myself....a student of history.
As a side note....I never was [and never will be] supportive of "foreign entanglements". I was there when the United States entered into all these alliances [NATO and SEATO]. I believed then, as I do now, we didn't need our sons and daughters used as cannon fodder for the UN or to help get crooked politicians [with DOD assembly plants in their district] re-elected. I feared eventually a Barack Hussein Obama would come along [with absolutely no idea what he was doing] and plunge us into a nightmare scenario. It appears my fear is NOW being realized.
Money? Yep! Was it Dwight Eisenhower who warned us [in his farewell address] about the danger of the Military-Industrial Complex? Problem is now we've fed the Islamic Beast....and we can't [or refuse] to put the genie back in the bottle.
What a mess!
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:22 pm to Matrixman
quote:I'm just facing the facts.
contrary to your cynical attitude
I'm sorry there are greedy heartless bastards who would discard your soul without a thought if a dollar was involved.
The fact is, these people exist. And mainly through the ignorance of people like yourself, they exist in very powerful positions.
I'm sorry this is how it is. If I had a magic wand, believe me, I'd wave it and make things all better. It just doesn't work that way.
Nothing is going to change until good-intentioned folks like yourself wake up to reality. I don't know what that's going to take. But until it does, there will be more 9/11s and more wars because there's a lot of money still left on the table out there and still a lot of heartless bastards aiming to take it.
I'm not sure why this simple concept is so difficult for the average person to comprehend. But it is what it is.
quote:No, you live in a world where greedy motherfrickers control the information you receive.
I live in the world of facts
Let me just ask you a hypothetical question: If George Bush had appeared on TV on Sept. 10, 2001, and pleaded for red-blooded American patriots to take up arms against Afghanistan and Iraq because it was good for the oil industry, international banking system, the U.S. Dollar, underworld drug industry, and those who profit from the trillions in natural resources, would you have volunteered?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:10 pm to Matrixman
quote:Where did they get the money? What kind of moron would fund an operation that placed a bunch of cavedwellars who couldn't fly a Cessna into commercial airlines and fly them around for about an hour in hopes that the greatest and most well-funded military and defense system in the history of man would suddenly transform into bumbling fools in a Chinese fire drill?
Apparently Al Qaeda was able to acquire the funds to execute the second attack successfully.
There isn't a human being alive that would put a dime into such an operation.
quote:Yeah, I heard about it.
A lot of innocent people in the WTC and elsewhere died.
And 13 years later I'm still pissed off at people like you who continue to run interference for those who pulled it off, by chasing halfway around the globe huntin' them turrrisss.
quote:For a dumbed-down Drama Queen, maybe. For the rest of us, not so much.
Dude, this meltdown at Iraq is a really bad omen.
quote:Then you, of all people, should know that this same bullshite script was used for Vietnam.
I also consider myself....a student of history.
In the illustrious words of your beloved President: "Fool me once, shame on....shame on you; Fool me, can't get fooled again."
Personally I think The Who said it better.
quote:And you went halfway around the world to murder people just to prove it.
As a side note....I never was [and never will be] supportive of "foreign entanglements".
quote:Good to see you're not cynical.
I feared eventually a Barack Hussein Obama would come along [with absolutely no idea what he was doing] and plunge us into a nightmare scenario.
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