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Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Your pal Obama snuffed the Green revolution, siding with his Muslim brothers.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:46 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Your pal Obama
Excuse me what?
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snuffed the Green revolution
He and Trump handled mass Iranian protests about the same, b/c it happens every few years and there is never a realistic good option as a response.
I bet we don't intervene in this situation either, giving Trump 2 bites at the apple with no action.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:50 pm to Mo Jeaux
Two sources, one is Goldie Ghamari who lives in Canada, a Shia convert to Zoroastrianism. The other a biz friend who is Iranian but grew up in Moscow and Italy, his dad was an Iranian general. He has been to Iran numerous times and spent time there since. He has many contacts all over Iran. FTR, the sanctions are meaningless to Iranian refined products. they are shipped to UAE then sold as from UAE. the US imports shiploads of base oil for lubricants from UAE which are actually Iranian. In fact there was a brand new lube oil blending plant in an FTZ of Iran so it is not considered Iranian, but shipped in bulk then packaged in UAE with whatever label you want on it via him.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 3:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
I guess I missed the part where Trump has come out publicly speaking out in favor of the current Iranian regime.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:04 pm to Boodis Man
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actually. I reckon there's barely any protests and this is all being manufactured by controlled media
There is no great uprising. Islamism is popular with the majority. The opposition is college students and urban liberals, and its only a matter of time before the Revolutionary Guard deals with them.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:07 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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I guess I missed the part where Trump has come out publicly speaking out in favor of the current Iranian regime.
LINK
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Mr Obama said Mir Hossein Mousavi had captured the imagination of groups in Iran that were interested in opening up to the world.
He spoke of the bravery of protesters in the face of "outrageous" violence.
Mr Obama's comments came hours after foreign ministers from the G8 nations issued a statement "deploring" the post-election violence in Iran.
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Mr Mousavi had become the representative of protesters on the streets who, he said, had displayed "extraordinary courage".
"The violence perpetrated against them is outrageous," Mr Obama said. "In spite of the government's efforts to keep the world from bearing witness to that violence, we see it and we condemn it."
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In spite of the government's efforts to keep the world from bearing witness to that violence, we see it and we condemn it."
And to prove it, we are sending them 300 billion dollars cash aboard airplanes.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Obama chose sides to get his precious nuclear deal and basically left the Green Revolution to hang in the wind.
And Trump? Is he supporting the regime? No?
There's your comparison.
And Trump? Is he supporting the regime? No?
There's your comparison.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
I just got off the phone with a Persian ex pat biz friend. He has been talking with his contacts in Iran. Tabriz hasn't had any protests yet, that is key to taking down the mullahs.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:48 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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There's your comparison.
It's a shitty comparison, as I just proved.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 4:48 pm to CitizenK
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Tabriz hasn't had any protests yet, that is key to taking down the mullahs.
Like I said, I'll believe it only when it happens.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:01 pm to CitizenK
quote:for a 'popular uprising' I'd put Qom above Tabriz personally.
I just got off the phone with a Persian ex pat biz friend. He has been talking with his contacts in Iran. Tabriz hasn't had any protests yet, that is key to taking down the mullahs.
But Tabriz is THE link to Russia and is probably their most important economic center even if you excepted Russian assistance.
Tabriz locals shutting it down would be our equivalent of all the capital on Wall Street being frozen by the financial institutions. Our economy would quickly experience a major shock.
Geographically, put simply, that's where Russia (via Caspian/Caucuses), Syria (via Kurdistan), Iraq, Turkey and Iran meet. If the IRGC/clerics lost that transport hub, they would quickly find themselves isolated even more so than now. Militarily from Tabriz you could cut the Caspian link with Russia also with non-ballistic missiles/rockets; the area is packed with radar, spotters, and other early warning systems.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Per Sherwin, they have been converted en masse from Islam to Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Judaism for quite a few years. He thinks 20%, or less, Islam now. That's Shia Islam which has been at war with Sunni Islam for centuries.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:05 pm to I20goon
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But Tabriz is THE link to Russia and is probably their most important economic center even if you excepted Russian assistance.
Qom only applies to a minority of the population these days. Economic shutdown is key.
He thinks that outside assistance is needed, European or American but preferably American. Iranians trust America more than they trust Europe.
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:17 pm to CitizenK
quote:I agree. I posted earlier in the thread that the only way the theocracy falls in Iran is if there is outside intervention or, in lieu of that intervention, the military turns on the IRGC directly.
He thinks that outside assistance is needed, European or American but preferably American. Iranians trust America more than they trust Europe.
These protests will only provide indirect support for one of those two. IF they are widespread enough they will only serve to give the military the backbone to do what it needs to do or raise enough outside public support for intervention.
That will not happen in the USA. And I don't think we should intervene. It's a classic "let them fight" meme. And here's why- outside intervention, especially by us/US, will not have a lasting effect anyway if the Iranian military doesn't turn. It's all moot.
The Iranian military should occupy Tabriz with popular support and burn Hormuz to the ground. Week 1. If they do that they will win and later us, the Saudi's and Pakistan will gladly help them rebuild Hormuz.
ETA: barring the Iranian military turning on the IRGC, in any scenario, it's like SFP says.... "I'll believe it when I see it". Meaning you won't see it.
This post was edited on 1/1/26 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:30 pm to jammajin
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Obama snuffed out the last one so…….
All this was enabled by Carter. Danged Democrats
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:43 pm to Gus007
Carter's fight against the "globalists"
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
You made no comparison
Posted on 1/1/26 at 5:46 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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You made no comparison
Uh, no shite. You did. It was shitty.
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