re: Iran and the narrative

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Exactly.

Some posters are so programmed to buy 100% into ongoing narratives without consideration that questioning what's claimed critically isn't even an after-thought.

(and yes, then the ad hominems become a poor substitute for debate.)

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There certainly are people who cling to narratives without facts. However, this particular narrative regarding Iran is well founded, and this thread has provided answers to this person's questions, and he does not seem moved by them, but rather keeps repeating his own narrative that Israel exaggerates, and because our media lies, we therefore must get all our information from them if we believe the narrative about Iran.

That's pretty hypocritical.

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Then again, who are NOT the "bad guys"?

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Well, but... this is like 50 shades of bad guys. I'd say, on the spectrum, Iran is on the darker side.

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Do gubmints ever truly represent The Consent of People anywhere?

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Nope. We had a "Do you wanna King" thread that delved into a good bit of that in its latter pages. It wax pretty good.

I am old enough to remember when Iranians stormed our embassy and took hostages. I remember attending vigils, praying for their safe return. I remember a weak President who could not handle the situation and a world that viewed America as a "paper tiger". Iran established itself as an enemy of this country and that has not changed. I don't think it ever will.

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and this thread has provided answers to this person's questions, and he does not seem moved by them

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Me: "I dont blindly believe the media narrative about Iran"

The Board: "yeah but *insert media narrative* says this. You are wrong"

I havent made any claims about Iran being good or bad...other than comparing them to the Saudis who are much more evil to Christians than Iran's government AND have actual evidence ACTUAL EVIDENCE that they supported terrorism against American citizens

Still mystified? My apologies. Are you vax-impacted? I didn't know.

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Im fully aware at what we are told:
-Iran sponsors terrorists
Yeah, and they have since 1979.
-Iran hates America
Their government hates our foreign policy, and specifically our unwavering support for Israel.
-Iran wants to eradicate Jews
If this was true, they would start with the Jews in Iran. There are somewhere north of 9,000 Jews in Iran.
-Iran wants to eradicate Chriistians
If this were true, they'd start with the Christians in Iran. There are at least 300K Christians in Iran. Judaism and Christianity are recognized minority religions in Iran.
-Should Iran get nukes they will then immediately nuke Israel, no questions asked
If you believe in MAD, then this is simply not true. I am of the belief that despite the rehortic, Iran is a rational actor because if they didn’t behave rationally, the regime would have self destructed many years ago.

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I understand this probably goes against the grain on this board.

Minus a deployment to Afghanistan and some effort spent analyzing the Lords Resistance Army (before the Kony 2012 shite made it popular), I've spent a great deal of my career studying Iran, their regional goals, and their proxies. I've been shot at by Huthi missiles before it was cool. I have no love whatsoever for the IRGC and specifically the IRGC-QF.

I like Rubio's statement that hopefully provided enough distance between us and Israel so Iran doesn't retaliate directly on US bases in the Middle East. The Shia population in Bahrain worries me, with our naval base there.

Just giving my thoughts since you asked.

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I am old enough to remember when Iranians stormed our embassy and took hostages. I remember attending vigils, praying for their safe return. I remember a weak President who could not handle the situation and a world that viewed America as a "paper tiger". Iran established itself as an enemy of this country and that has not changed. I don't think it ever will.

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Again, im not defending this. This was evil. That was also half a century ago. Americans can now travel to Iran without being held hostage. Things have obviously changed some

frick no. How completely warped by MSM propaganda to be to STILL believe we need more Middle East war after the past 20 years. It’s unbelievable.

So you are passively admitting you were wrong. Just admit it. It might be good for your character.

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Iran certainly despises the West. Its leaders have made clear very publicly that they seek to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. They also seek to destroy “The Great Satan” (America).

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Why dont they start with the Jews currently living in Iran? Seems like an easy first step.

Who can blame them for hating us? We supply the missiles that attack them. If you step back, take a deep breath, view the situation from an unbiased(as possible) perspective...things arent so black and white. We say Iran is hell bent on destroying America...yet we have have multiple allies in the Middle East that have supported the murder of or directly murdered far more Americans than Iran ever has.

Pop quiz:
Which country do we have evidence that has supported the murder of more American citizens: Saudi Arabia, or Iran?

Which country's military has killed more American soldiers? Iran or Israel?