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re: Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants".
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:17 pm to somethingdifferent
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:17 pm to somethingdifferent
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There's always an infantile person like you in every thread and I have to ask the same question every time. Tell me what I said that's false. So how about you do that instead of juvenile attempts to insult
Im sorry you will never get to experience the transformative power of the Eucharist. I'll pray a rosary for you after I get done with that ill pray for the souls in purgatory and call upon all my brothers and sisters in heaven to lift their hearts up in prayer for you again.
Of course this all happens in front of my crucifix in my house with my mother of Mary statue and saints prayer cards.
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Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:17 pm to Lsukinesalum2001
quote:Jesus never made Peter the "head" of the church. Even Catholic bishops of the middle ages agreed with that. Heck, there may even be some conciliarists today who acknowledge that.
he did leave a leader on earth to speak with divine wisdom
I bet most Catholics don't even know that the pope is not supposed to be the "head" of the church. The church is supposed to be led by the college of cardinals and the bishops in general. The pope is mainly and traditionally primus inter pares
Well, that was the case until hotheads like Leo, Gregory and Boniface came along
quote:First, that's usually attributed to Francis of Assisi. Second, it's an unbiblical statement. The euangelion/kerygma is the preached word. It is NEVER "silent." Romans 10:14-15
St. Theresa has a quote I love… “preach the gospel at all time. If necessary, use words.”
quote:Ugh. It's sad how pervasive this thought is. The Catholic church has done such a good job of implanting this meme into people's heads
Christ never meant for us to be divided
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:18 pm to gaetti15
quote:Sure. They're not perfect but they are a good witness.
So do you look kindly upon the early Church fathers?
Why?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:18 pm to gaetti15
quote:Typical non response
Im sorry you will never get to experience the transformative power of the Eucharist. I'll pray a rosary for you after I get done with that ill pray for the souls in purgatory and call upon all my brothers and sisters in heaven to lift their hearts up in prayer for you again.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:24 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Typical non response
Nothing I say is going to change your mind. You are no worse than the heretics the early Church/apostolic fathers denounced.
As Vincent of Lérins once wrote, “Do heretics quote Scripture?”
“They do with a vengeance.”
“There’s nothing of all their errors that they won’t drip with Scripture to make it seem like it’s true.”
“They’re basically dripping their poison with honey, the honey of divine language.”
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:25 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Sure. They're not perfect but they are a good witness.
Why?
Were they not Catholic?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:32 pm to gaetti15
quote:This is exactly my point. It's a quintessential example of how Catholic/EO distinctives and practices get in between you and God.
Im sorry you will never get to experience the transformative power of the Eucharist. I'll pray a rosary for you after I get done with that ill pray for the souls in purgatory and call upon all my brothers and sisters in heaven to lift their hearts up in prayer for you again.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:34 pm to somethingdifferent
You have a right to your opinion. I'm not trying to convert you. I'm just explaining the Catholic and Orthodox point of view on Sacred Tradition.
If you wish to continue to hold fast to your belief, that's fine with me. I'm just asking people to stop attacking the RCC and stop Accusing the RCC of being "ridiculous" or "evil" or things like that. There is a very solid basis for what be believe.
I'm not going to go down the path of refuting every line of your every post. I'm not here to convert anybody. I am here only to explain my faith and ask for some respect and ask for a halt to the attacks.
Catholics and anybody else can read the Catechism and Catholic Answers website should they care to learn more there.
I am not here to convince you or convert you or anybody. I am here to ask people to be Charitable towards Catholics and their Faith, and to please take care to not use the tactics that Satan uses to attack his enemies - Accusing them of evil things.
We have a disagreement of opinion. Let's respect each other's opinion and respect each other.
If you wish to continue to hold fast to your belief, that's fine with me. I'm just asking people to stop attacking the RCC and stop Accusing the RCC of being "ridiculous" or "evil" or things like that. There is a very solid basis for what be believe.
I'm not going to go down the path of refuting every line of your every post. I'm not here to convert anybody. I am here only to explain my faith and ask for some respect and ask for a halt to the attacks.
Catholics and anybody else can read the Catechism and Catholic Answers website should they care to learn more there.
I am not here to convince you or convert you or anybody. I am here to ask people to be Charitable towards Catholics and their Faith, and to please take care to not use the tactics that Satan uses to attack his enemies - Accusing them of evil things.
We have a disagreement of opinion. Let's respect each other's opinion and respect each other.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:34 pm to gaetti15
quote:I have listened to countless hours of Catholic leaders and apologists. I haved read countless works from Catholic history. I am always challenging my beliefs.
Nothing I say is going to change your mind
I'll ask you again, what did I say that's false?
Again, what Catholic Tradition was quoted by Jesus that's not in scripture?
You haven't answered either one of those questions. I wonder why
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:35 pm to somethingdifferent
My point had been proven… love you brother!
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:36 pm to Champagne
quote:
We have a disagreement of opinion. Let's respect each other's opinion and respect each other.
Good man, better than me.
Ill be done with this.
Praise to you lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:43 pm to gaetti15
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Were they not Catholic?
What?!? No they weren't "Catholic." What a ridiculous notion.
I'll ask again, show me the Patristic evidence for Catholic distinctives and practices. If these people were "Catholic" the evidence should be overwhelming. There's almost nothing from their writings that looks even remotely like medieval/modern Catholicism
Now you're likely to run to doctrinal development and then you're going to throw yourself right into the briar patch. But go right ahead.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:44 pm to somethingdifferent
We have a different opinion here. If you want to learn more about what Catholics believe and why, check out the Catechism and the website Catholic Answers.
If you believe that the Catholic Church separates people from God rather than bringing them to God, that's fine. I'm not here to change your mind. If you believe that the Catholic Church is Evil and Anti-Christ, fine. I'm not here to change your mind.
Catholics are asking for our theological Accusers to be charitable and respectful and I want us Catholics to do the same.
We know you think you're right. We think we are right, too. I'm asking you Protestants to respectfully accept that we Catholics think we are right and to please stop insulting, attacking us and accusing us of being Anti Christ and Non Christian. Just say, "I disagree and protest against your Catholic Faith" and that's a nice way of explaining your position and point of view.
If you believe that the Catholic Church separates people from God rather than bringing them to God, that's fine. I'm not here to change your mind. If you believe that the Catholic Church is Evil and Anti-Christ, fine. I'm not here to change your mind.
Catholics are asking for our theological Accusers to be charitable and respectful and I want us Catholics to do the same.
We know you think you're right. We think we are right, too. I'm asking you Protestants to respectfully accept that we Catholics think we are right and to please stop insulting, attacking us and accusing us of being Anti Christ and Non Christian. Just say, "I disagree and protest against your Catholic Faith" and that's a nice way of explaining your position and point of view.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:46 pm to Champagne
quote:I am fully aware of it and can give a robust presentation of it, sadly
I'm just explaining the Catholic and Orthodox point of view on Sacred Tradition
quote:It's not "my belief." I am describing scripture. The word of God and dividing it from things that are not the word of God
If you wish to continue to hold fast to your belief, that's fine with me
quote:You're looking at the effect, not the cause. The cause is heresy. You might want to address that first and then worry about name calling later.
I'm just asking people to stop attacking the RCC and stop Accusing the RCC of being "ridiculous" or "evil" or things like that
quote:Smart
I'm not going to go down the path of refuting every line of your every post
quote:I know tons of Catholics that I love.
I am here to ask people to be Charitable towards Catholics
quote:I am discussing scripture, not opinion
We have a disagreement of opinion
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:54 pm to gaetti15
Still no answer to this question
What Catholic/EO dogma/practice was quoted by Jesus that's not in scripture?
If you can't quote it, it's man made. Not from God.
Even easier - quote the Apostles on these matters.
Even easier - quote the Patristics on these matters.
If you can't quote it, it has no authority, certainly not for salvation. You can practice if you want if it makes you closer to God, increases your spiritual maturity and makes your evangelization more effective (assuming you even do that sort of thing as Jesus commanded) but don't say it comes from the authority of the church or that the authority of the pope is necessary or that those things are necessary for salvation because that is a straight up lie from the devil
If you claim that you are a godly person, biblical person, follower of Christ, you will make a geniune, good faith effort to answer that question and act on the results accordingly
What Catholic/EO dogma/practice was quoted by Jesus that's not in scripture?
If you can't quote it, it's man made. Not from God.
Even easier - quote the Apostles on these matters.
Even easier - quote the Patristics on these matters.
If you can't quote it, it has no authority, certainly not for salvation. You can practice if you want if it makes you closer to God, increases your spiritual maturity and makes your evangelization more effective (assuming you even do that sort of thing as Jesus commanded) but don't say it comes from the authority of the church or that the authority of the pope is necessary or that those things are necessary for salvation because that is a straight up lie from the devil
If you claim that you are a godly person, biblical person, follower of Christ, you will make a geniune, good faith effort to answer that question and act on the results accordingly
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:01 pm to somethingdifferent
We have a disagreement with regard to interpretation of Scripture. We also disagree on the content of the Word of God that Jesus directly handed down to the Apostles without writing it down. We say it is Sacred Tradition and is part of The Word of God. You say we are wrong because what Christ handed down is all written down in the Protestant Bible. Catholics and Orthodox disagree with you on that. Let's just respectfully agree to disagree.
I know that you are here to wage war against the Catholic Faith. I know that you are here to Accuse it of being evil and a path to nowhere. I know that no amount of evidence will ever change your mind.
Why can't we be respectful and agree to disagree?
PS Hey Catholics. This book's title is "The Early Church was the Catholic Church". If you think you might be interested in this topic, you would learn and benefit very much from this book.
LINK
PSS Message to something different - Your posts are well written and you come across very strong and zealous. I understand your position and I understand why a person would believe and embrace your positions. At the same time, however, we Catholics believe that we understand OUR position and we will also zealously pursue OUR Faith. We each believe that we are right and the other side is not as right as we. I think we should just leave it at that.
We will find out when we die, won't we? I'm glad that you are so zealous. Your beliefs will be a comfort to you in your life, I pray.
PSSS
For everybody - here's an online version of Jimmy Akin's book "The Fathers Know Best" that is a great book to read what the Early Church Fathers believed and practiced. People should read it because I think it will help them find the right Church denomination.
LINK
I know that you are here to wage war against the Catholic Faith. I know that you are here to Accuse it of being evil and a path to nowhere. I know that no amount of evidence will ever change your mind.
Why can't we be respectful and agree to disagree?
PS Hey Catholics. This book's title is "The Early Church was the Catholic Church". If you think you might be interested in this topic, you would learn and benefit very much from this book.
LINK
PSS Message to something different - Your posts are well written and you come across very strong and zealous. I understand your position and I understand why a person would believe and embrace your positions. At the same time, however, we Catholics believe that we understand OUR position and we will also zealously pursue OUR Faith. We each believe that we are right and the other side is not as right as we. I think we should just leave it at that.
We will find out when we die, won't we? I'm glad that you are so zealous. Your beliefs will be a comfort to you in your life, I pray.
PSSS
For everybody - here's an online version of Jimmy Akin's book "The Fathers Know Best" that is a great book to read what the Early Church Fathers believed and practiced. People should read it because I think it will help them find the right Church denomination.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:27 pm to mudshuvl05
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I can feel how passionate you are about it. I'm excited and am committing to going to the parish nearest to us and checking them out over the next few weeks. Looking at their photos online it's similar to what you're describing. Lots of younger families and young children & it looks like they're outgrowing the church. I'm happy to hear that God has changed your and your familys lives in such a huge way. That's the ultimate win.
Are there any things you can share with me as a first time visitor? Customs or specific things I should be aware of? I'll likely be attending by myself at first and of course want to be as respectful of customs and traditions as possible. I grew up attending non denominational churches so Divine Liturgy will be brand new for me.
Are there any things you can share with me as a first time visitor? Customs or specific things I should be aware of? I'll likely be attending by myself at first and of course want to be as respectful of customs and traditions as possible. I grew up attending non denominational churches so Divine Liturgy will be brand new for me.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:29 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants".
Is it, though?
Because I see nothing remotely interesting in the polling you provided. Just nonsense media polls from suburban areas outside of major cities.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:32 pm to gaetti15
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You'll see a differrent split within catholicism with younger generations heading towards traditional Latin masses and reverent nouvus ordo masses
Sure, if “younger” means people between 50-79
Absolutely no one born after Vatican II is clamoring for a Latin mass.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:36 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
Absolutely no one born after Vatican II is clamoring for a Latin mass.
It may not be a large number, but your statement is absolutely false.
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