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Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:09 pm to Zach
Paying taxes to live in a country that provides you many other benefits besides health care is not theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:11 pm to Rex
quote:False. Paying taxes for public goods is not theft. Paying taxes for another's personal expenses... is straight up theft.
Paying taxes to live in a country that provides you many other benefits besides health care is not theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:12 pm to Zach
Taxes arent "theft". I dont like them, but by definition it isnt theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Taxes arent "theft". I dont like them, but by definition it isnt theft.
My insurance company charged me 3K more this year and specifically told me that it was because of Obamacare mandates. I got no more coverage. My money was to provide for slackers so they could have health care. How is that not theft?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:21 pm to Zach
Because the insurance company can charge you whatever they like. If you dont like it, you are free to switch plans or carriers.
Again, I oppose Obamacare and excessive taxation. Calling it theft just makes you look ignorant, though.
Again, I oppose Obamacare and excessive taxation. Calling it theft just makes you look ignorant, though.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Because the insurance company can charge you whatever they like. If you dont like it, you are free to switch plans or carriers.
You're the moron. Listen very carefully. My insurance company has NEVER raised my rates in 16 years.
They raised the rates 3K this year and said it was because of Obamacare mandates. Is my insurance company lying? Or is Obama lying?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:They can? Wow! I should start an insurance company. I'll charge $1,000,000,000 for every procedure. How cool!
Because the insurance company can charge you whatever they like.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:38 pm to Taxing Authority
You sure could. You'd get no customers, but you could.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:41 pm to Zach
quote:
They raised the rates 3K this year and said it was because of Obamacare mandates. Is my insurance company lying? Or is Obama lying?
Where did I claim someone was lying?
You are trying to call taxation theft. Wrong as it may, as analogous as the two things may be, the very definition of taxation prevents it from being theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:No such thing.
Insuring pre-existing conditions
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:43 pm to Zach
quote:
My insurance company has NEVER raised my rates in 16 years.
Huh
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:What's asinine about it? It's exactly correct. You can't "insure" something that's already broken. THAT isn't "insurance".
I wish people could stick to the topic without resorting to asinine irrelevance.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Um. No. Taxation isn't always theft but there is flat out nothing that prevents taxation being used for theft. If 51 people vote to take stuff from 49 people and simply give it to themselves so that they can have what the 49 have, that's theft. Straight up. No different than if they'd simply walked down the street and mugged the 49. It's just theft via ballot box.
You are trying to call taxation theft. Wrong as it may, as analogous as the two things may be, the very definition of taxation prevents it from being theft.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 4:54 pm to Rex
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We're not setting any precedent. Other developed countries already have health care welfare. It's the humane thing to do.
Wrong. When an abled bodied person CHOOSES not to work (like SCUMBAG Rexy) and then wants others to pay for his/her healthcare, that's completely INHUMANE to the person being required to pay for it.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
You are trying to call taxation theft. Wrong as it may, as analogous as the two things may be, the very definition of taxation prevents it from being theft.
That is beyond stupid. So, I shall have to use an analogy so that you might understand.
I am elected President Zach. I do an executive order that anyone with the initials RK shall have all of his property taxed and given to the poor.
Would that be theft, RK?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:17 pm to Lakeboy7
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My insurance company has NEVER raised my rates in 16 years. Huh
Did I use too many big words? Tried to keep it to 3 syllables.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:25 pm to Zach
I pay taxes to help subsidize your employer paying for your healthcare. Is that also theft?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:27 pm to Rex
quote:Says the tool that was proud of not paying for insurance until Odramacare spread his costs out over other users.
Nope. Taking money by force from one is never humane - regardless of what you do with money. Well, that's what a Republican dick would say, sure.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 5:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
Insurance companies being forced to cover pre-existing conditions means that the insurance companies take on this person knowing they are facing a substantial net loss from day one on this individual which causes them to raise the premiums on everyone else to recoup their losses.
There is no unicorn flying over the rainbow magic regarding this. Liberals are bad at math.
Premiums go up across the board due to the healthcare costs of those having to be taken on that have pre-existing conditions.
Health insurance should have always been modeled after auto insurance:
Auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, break jobs, new tires, etc.
Health insurance should never have covered office visits and crap like that. Those things are affordable inconveniences.
There is no unicorn flying over the rainbow magic regarding this. Liberals are bad at math.
Premiums go up across the board due to the healthcare costs of those having to be taken on that have pre-existing conditions.
Health insurance should have always been modeled after auto insurance:
Auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, break jobs, new tires, etc.
Health insurance should never have covered office visits and crap like that. Those things are affordable inconveniences.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 5:34 pm
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