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re: Increased Childlessness in the US
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:54 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:54 am to 4cubbies
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they will never know what it's like to be a parent
I will never experience being a parent.
Some mouthbreather in a trailer park with 14 kids is a parent. They don't possess some innate knowledge that is only gained by performing the most basic human function there is.
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:59 am to The Torch
i’ve said this for years now - think of all the intelligent, thoughtful, worthwhile adults that you know personally
then think of how many kids they’ve had
the future looks less than ideal
then think of how many kids they’ve had
the future looks less than ideal
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Why aren't women organizing marches or protests about this? Because if you ask any working mother if she would like to have the option to stay home, I can assure you that most would say yes.
Well no, but why isn't a theme in female-oriented media, entertainment, social media, etc.? My wife, as a professional, would say that in her line of work it's viewed as something of a betrayal to acknowledge that preference. Like she'd be letting other women down.
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Who needs more money, or free time, or sanity anyway?
exactly, those things are for suckers
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:06 pm to The Torch
Hate to break it to you but AI, Robotics, and Automation is going to eventually put a lot of people out of jobs in the near future. We don't need a huge population boom.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Skin in what game? What happens to society after we're gone? Sure, I'd agree with that to some extent, but that doesn't mean I don't have "skin in the game."
I'm not implying you don't. I'm asserting that you (and everyone, parent or not) benefit and have always benefitted from a culture/society where a high percentage of people have real, tangible reasons for prioritizing the future, sometimes to their own detriment.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:09 pm to 4cubbies
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Women aren't choosing to wait this long, but they also aren't settling.
First of all, women ARE choosing to wait longer (there's research on that), and the "settling" part of the narrative is exactly what I'm talking about.
That has become mainstream messaging, but the problem is that it doesn't mean what a reasonable person means when he or she reads it (or types it, in cubbies' case).
Young women now believe that they "deserve" a man who makes at least a half million dollars a year, who would not require her to work, who is at least 6'3" tall, who has 6% bodyfat and washboard abs, who isn't losing his hair, and the list goes on.
I know that that seems crazy and hard to believe, but if you will investigate it you will see that it is true that that is a mainstream view among young women now. There are videos stacked on top of videos online of women giving their criteria for a man they would marry to an interviewer and when he applies all of her filters he informs her that her potential dating pool is .02% of the male population, and she is shocked to discover that.
And research bears this out.
A lot of dating is done at least initially online now, so it's easily trackable.
What you would think would happen in an online case of dating is that people self-select based on an accurate assessment of their chances. You would look at someone's profile, see that they are a brain surgeon making $800k year who is highly attractive and cultured, travels internationally and sits on the board of the local art museum. You, on the other hand, are 20 pounds overweight and at best you might reasonably be a 6 out of 10 on the attractiveness scale, have only been out of your home state twice in your life, and make $30,000 a year as a cashier at Target.
Common sense says that the cashier wouldn't pursue the brain surgeon on the reasonable assumption that he or she is out of his or her league.
But that's objectively not what happens (again, they track this).
What happens is that all the women (like, literally almost all of them) pursue the top 3% of desirable men. Almost 100% of the women on the dating app are competing for 3% of the men and ignoring all the men below that threshold.
And it's because this messaging of "You go girl! Don't settle! You get what you deserve!" has been taken to an extreme degree.
Just like all the women out there who have been so brainwashed by the messaging that women can do anything men can do really think that female athletes can compete with male athletes. And that female soldiers and law enforcement employees can physically manhandle men.
They really believe that, btw. The messaging has been so relentless on that for so long it has resulted in a large segment of the population with no grip on reality.
Same with this. Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself.
So the vast, vast majority of young women are ignoring 95% to 97% of the male population. We know they are doing it on the apps and there is no reason to believe they aren't doing it in person as well.
That is the problem here.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:10 pm to Pettifogger
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have real, tangible reasons for prioritizing the future, sometimes to their own detriment
Who doesn't have this?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:12 pm to TrueTiger
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Maybe that's why the Taliban banned girls from going past 6th grade.
Are you recommending that the US adopt Sharia?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who doesn't have this?
What's yours and how would you stack it against kids and grandkids?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:16 pm to 4cubbies
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When the shitty economy necessitates that women work, societal expectations don't matter.
Again, that's a direct result of feminism.
The right for women to vote was not won the way people think. It was not a grassroots organic movement among women; in fact, in states where they had public referendums and women were allowed to vote in those referendums, women voted against it, sometimes in a giant landslide. i want to say there was one referendum in Wisconsin or somewhere where 97% of the women who voted, voted no.
In actuality wealthy industrialists supported feminism and the right to vote because they knew it would flood the market with cheap labor for their factories, which is exactly what happened. The industrialists were the ones who got the women's suffrage bill passed despite the lack of public support among both men and women for it.
I don't know if there is any history so revised and sanitized as the history of feminism.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:21 pm to Pettifogger
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What's yours and how would you stack it against kids and grandkids?
I'm not sure what you're asking here.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:22 pm to 4cubbies
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Or you can talk to a real woman who isn't trying to sell ads.
Or I can look at research that backs up the opinions these women reflect and conclude that since the two are in agreement that it is the correct conclusion, and yours is incorrect.
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You literally just said these woman are trying to promote themselves and you think they're being genuine with the image of themselves they curate?
You would have to watch it to understand but, yes, it's quite obvious that they are so indoctrinated with these views that they see no reason to hide their true viewpoints.
The assumption you just made (see, everybody makes them) is that their true viewpoints would somehow be different than what they would wish to portray. But there's no evidence for that or reason to assume that.
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Stop depending on people selling things to reveal anything about reality.
LOL. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you don't.
P.S. There's nobody here who is selling something any more relentlessly than you. Remember on that other thread where I pointed out that you feel like you have to prove that you are so much better than the cretins here?
Well, that's selling a persona.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I assumed you were saying that everyone had real, tangible reasons to prioritize the future over the now regardless of having kids
So I was asking what that might look like for you and how it would compare to people who'd claim that kids/grandkids are "that" for them.
So I was asking what that might look like for you and how it would compare to people who'd claim that kids/grandkids are "that" for them.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:32 pm to wackatimesthree
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feminism
bullshite like "mommies and teachers are the real heroes" have pervaded our society for far too long.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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bullshite like "mommies and teachers are the real heroes" have pervaded our society for far too long.
Who do you think the real heroes are?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:37 pm to wackatimesthree
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Or I can look at research that backs up the opinions these women reflec
This exists?
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The assumption you just made (see, everybody makes them) is that their true viewpoints would somehow be different than what they would wish to portray.
I also assume that influencers don't reflect the realities of average people. That's a very safe assumption.
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. There's nobody here who is selling something any more relentlessly than you. Remember on that other thread where I pointed out that you feel like you have to prove that you are so much better than the cretins here?
I don't think I'm "better" than anyone here. I'm less childish, but not better.
Who would I be trying to prove it to, anyway? If I cared what people here thought of me, I'd conform to the consensus.
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Well, that's selling a persona.
Read some of the replies to me and ask yourself if I'm selling anything succesfully.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:47 pm to Pettifogger
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I assumed you were saying that everyone had real, tangible reasons to prioritize the future over the now regardless of having kids
Nope. I'm saying that I don't think there's a dependency. Plenty of people who do have kids don't see them as reasons to prioritize the future. It can be a reason, but it isn't inherent and I don't think it's implicitly tangible.
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So I was asking what that might look like for you and how it would compare to people who'd claim that kids/grandkids are "that" for them.
In the Marine Corps, we always said to "leave it better than you found it." I'm a big fan of this country and what it's done for me. I'd like for others to have the same opportunity to experience that.
People have tried, and failed, to make similar points regarding religion. "Why do I care, if I believe this life is it." I find the notion silly and narrow-minded. Being irreligious doesn't make me spiritually void. I'd argue the opposite is more accurate.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:47 pm to 4cubbies
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This exists?
If you read the posts, you know it does. That dating app data is tres easy to track.
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I also assume that influencers don't reflect the realities of average people. That's a very safe assumption.
No one said it reflected reality. That's the whole point. The whole point is that young women have been influenced to believe something that DOESN'T reflect reality.
But you tell me. Here's what we know, as fact:
Women are getting married later
Women are not having children and also more women are claiming that they will not ever have children than they ever have in America
Women are getting divorced more often
70% of the divorces are initiated by the women, and according to the research, when asked why, they do NOT say that they were abused, neglected, not provided for, or otherwise cite some gross flaw in the husband. They say some version of, "I just wanted more," or "I was just bored and unfulfilled," or "I just wanted to see what else was out there."
The dating app data shows that almost all the women on those apps compete for the top tiny percentage of men
Lots and lots of young women are on video at this point reflecting the mindset that they deserve a man that only conforms to a tiny percentage of available men (or unavailable men, for that matter)
All of those are facts.
When I put them all together, it sure sounds to me like the influencers (who have simply taken feminism to its logical extreme) have been successful in convincing young women to have unreasonable expectations for marriage and family.
What's your conclusion from the facts?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:49 pm to wackatimesthree
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Who do you think the real heroes are?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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In the Marine Corps, we always said to "leave it better than you found it." I'm a big fan of this country and what it's done for me. I'd like for others to have the same opportunity to experience that.
People have tried, and failed, to make similar points regarding religion. "Why do I care, if I believe this life is it." I find the notion silly and narrow-minded. Being irreligious doesn't make me spiritually void. I'd argue the opposite is more accurate.
I don't find it silly or narrow minded. We honestly don't have a benchmark in the west to use there. We might, eventually, and we'll see how it goes. We'll have the benefit of being a much softer people when we get there, I suppose.
But I started with the concept of a tangible reason to be invested in the future. As much as I believe you when you talk about the USMC influence and I believe you're likely a person of character to boot, I see "better than you found it" and "fan of the country" as less definite/discrete and I imagine you're on the stronger end of those without kids in terms of being able to articulate this.
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