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re: In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:22 pm to BeerCity
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:22 pm to BeerCity
quote:
Decatur, are you CIA or something?
What does it matter? These are secrets that could potentially harm U.S. military personnel. Snowden has them and he is probably giving them to the Russians.
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 11:23 pm
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Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:23 pm to RollTide1987
so as long as a government asset may be threatened, we should never be allowed to criticize possible government overreach?
is that what you're arguing?
is that what you're arguing?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:23 pm to RollTide1987
Yesterday, I'm in Obama For America
Today, I'm in the NSA or CIA
I'm a freaking phantom
Today, I'm in the NSA or CIA
I'm a freaking phantom
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:25 pm to Decatur
well in their defense, wasn't it revealed that government operatives do just what you're accused of doing?
i'm not saying YOU are, but such is life in the police state of Big Brother
i'm not saying YOU are, but such is life in the police state of Big Brother
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
so as long as a government asset may be threatened, we should never be allowed to criticize possible government overreach?
is that what you're arguing?
I really wish I lived in your black and white world. It must be so nice. Maybe one day, when I'm out of the service, I'll get high on that shite with you. But for right now, I have to live in the real world.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well in their defense, wasn't it revealed that government operatives do just what you're accused of doing?
yeah, on Jihad message boards overseas, which oddly enough is how many of them communicate
quote:
but such is life in the police state of Big Brother
Sigh
I think you should read up more on all of this to get better perspective
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:28 pm to RollTide1987
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I really wish I lived in your black and white world. It must be so nice. Maybe one day, when I'm out of the service, I'll get high on that shite with you. But for right now, I have to live in the real world.
so no criticizing big brother if an asset is possibly (of course this information is coming from the very big brother we just learned not to trust) at risk? we just sit back and take the invasion of our lives without any thought?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think Decatur works for the Koch Brothers and is just false flagging with his ridiculous article based on supposition to rile up conservatives.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:29 pm to Decatur
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I think you should read up more on all of this to get better perspective
are they collecting massive amounts of private data without the permission of the persons in question?
hasn't it been revealed that this collection goes well beyond metadata?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so no criticizing big brother if an asset is possibly (of course this information is coming from the very big brother we just learned not to trust) at risk?
You can criticize all you want to, honey.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:30 pm to RollTide1987
oh an ad hom attack. the height of intellectual discourse
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh an ad hom attack. the height of intellectual discourse
No. It's the height of someone who is doped up on Tylenol PM because he has a 3-hour plane ride in the morning and he doesn't overly like flying commercial.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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are they collecting massive amounts of private data without the permission of the persons in question?
If they're Russian
But seriously, what private data are you talking about specifically?
quote:
hasn't it been revealed that this collection goes well beyond metadata?
Incidential collection of US person comms has been happening for as long as we've monitored communications and for the last several decades has been dealt with in accordance with Executive Order 12333.
quote:
2.3Collection of Information. Agencies within the Intelligence Community are authorized to collect, retain or disseminate information concerning United States persons only in accordance with procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved by the Attorney General, consistent with the authorities provided by Part 1 of this Order. Those procedures shall permit collection, retention and dissemination of the following types of information: (a) Information that is publicly available or collected with the consent of the person concerned; (b) Information constituting foreign intelligence or counterintelligence, including such information concerning corporations or other commercial organizations. Collection within the United States of foreign intelligence not otherwise obtainable shall be undertaken by the FBI or, when significant foreign intelligence is sought, by other authorized agencies of the Intelligence Community, provided that no foreign intelligence collection by such agencies may be undertaken for the purpose of acquiring information concerning the domestic activities of United States persons; (c) Information obtained in the course of a lawful foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, international narcotics or international terrorism investigation; (d) Information needed to protect the safety of any persons or organizations, including those who are targets, victims or hostages of international terrorist organizations; (e) Information needed to protect foreign intelligence or counterintelligence sources or methods from unauthorized disclosure. Collection within the United States shall be undertaken by the FBI except that other agencies of the Intelligence Community may also collect such information concerning present or former employees, present or former intelligence agency contractors or their present or former employees, or applicants for any such employment or contracting; (f) Information concerning persons who are reasonably believed to be potential sources or contacts for the purpose of determining their suitability or credibility; (g) Information arising out of a lawful personnel, physical or communications security investigation; (h) Information acquired by overhead reconnaissance not directed at specific United States persons; (i) Incidentally obtained information that may indicate involvement in activities that may violate federal, state, local or foreign laws; and (j) Information necessary for administrative purposes. In addition, agencies within the Intelligence Community may disseminate information, other than information derived from signals intelligence, to each appropriate agency within the Intelligence Community for purposes of allowing the recipient agency to determine whether the information is relevant to its responsibilities and can be retained by it.
LINK
If this is where you are at with your knowledge of the matter I would say you should learn a little more about the foreign intelligence collection mission of NSA
This post was edited on 3/23/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:45 pm to Decatur
How nice of you to provide a link to the allowances to collect on American citizens to a board that on the whole hates executive orders. An excellent educational point.
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:49 pm to OleWar
Would you rather it be unregulated?
Posted on 3/23/14 at 11:53 pm to Decatur
I'd prefer it be more regulated, and investigated.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 6:33 am to RollTide1987
quote:Well then.
What does it matter? These are secrets that could potentially harm U.S. military personnel. Snowden has them and he is probably giving them to the Russians.
Perhaps it would be in our government's best interest if going forward, they stopped losing their ever loving minds when it comes to surveillance.
If not. Then they can count on this type shite happening again. They employ human beings FROM the damned United States. Ya know. People who may actually think the U.S. government shouldn't behave that way. Who consider it unacceptable.
EVERYTHING Snowden has done is the direct fault of the bull shite our government was pulling. PERIOD!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 6:38 am to Decatur
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In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping
quote:Decatur, vigilance and analysis is the way intelligence works.
Thanks Edward Snowden
Events in Crimea began in the Ukraine.
Where was our response?
Early Ukrainian hints that the Crimean Naval Base treaty could be reconsidered virtually assured Putin's action.
Where was our response?
The fact is, we were clueless far before any satellite issue arose.
Got it?
OTOH, let's talk Snowden.
Edward Snowden was according to you, an uneducated treacherous dork, not dissimilar in that respect to Bradley Manning who preceded him. Manning logged in, accessed volumes of secure data, copied it, and passed it on. Snowden logged in, accessed volumes of secure data, copied it, and passed it on. How does the same MASSIVE security breach occur TWICE? Who is to blame for it? With a competent human in charge (as you claim Obama to be), there is accountability. Where is evidence of that accountability?
Again, you view Obama as supremely competent. The "buck stops" somewhere. Where is that 'somewhere' in this instance? Who has been fired? Which agency has been put on notice? What assurance is the public being provided that these chasms in our intell community are being addressed?
Take your time, or perhaps wait until Snowden's successor answers those questions for you, subsequent to the next breach.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 6:40 am to SettleDown
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EVERYTHING Snowden has done is the direct fault of the bull shite our government was pulling. PERIOD!
Yeah but that's really hard to grasp when you work for the government and/or you fully support the current administration no matter what they do.
Like I said, dissent was only patriotic when bush was in office.
The patriot act was bad! NDAA is good though
Posted on 3/24/14 at 6:42 am to monsterballads
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Yeah but that's really hard to grasp when you work for the government and/or you fully support the current administration no matter what they do.
People being mad about Snowden and anything extra that got out is like when cops get pissed because someone in their department outed their wrongdoing. "It'll affect our ability to do police work in the community" they'll say.
Well. Shoulda thought of that shite before you were acting like a$$holes.
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