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re: I'm not a Catholic, but this priest gets it
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:43 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:43 pm to Squirrelmeister
I read your post. You referred to Catholic principles, and still have cited none. Please cite the principle that says the hierarchy should cover for pederast priests. Still waiting. I think you’re having trouble distinguishing between actual principles and news reports.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 5:45 pm
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:50 pm to Loco Uno
I have my contentions with the Catholic Church at large, but this priest speaks truth. Great to hear.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:22 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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I read your post. You referred to Catholic principles, and still have cited none. Please cite the principle that says the hierarchy should cover for pederast priests. Still waiting. I think you’re having trouble distinguishing between actual principles and news reports.
The catholic church has been sustaining a culture of child abuse and covering up the crimes of pedo priests for nearly 2000 years all over the world on every continent. That’s what they stand for - that is one of their core principles and they are widely known for this. It is not stated in any of their teachings or catechism, but it exists. And I’ve already stated that, and you are attempting to construct a fallacious straw man argument.
It’s not just news reports. This is factual information anyone can verify. The church has spent billions settling lawsuits. I’m only pointing out the hypocrisy.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:53 pm to FooManChoo
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if God doesn't exist
He doesn’t. That was easy!
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Nothing is truly evil
You’re the one who regularly defends genocide and infanticide. So if anyone is, it’s you. Seriously, something can be evil even if not everyone agrees. Yes it’s subjective as is all morality which is why we have philosophy and ethics for people to argue about what’s right and wrong.
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Without an objective standard for morality, "good" and "evil" (morality) is nothing more than opinion.
Well there is no objective standard, even if your Yahweh did exist, because there is no objective standard contained within the Bible. You keep repeating the same shite ad nauseam. I’ve corrected you many times slavery, rape, killing, incest, sacrificing your firstborn on an altar, etc. are permitted (even mandated) and also prohibited depending on the book and verse. You can’t even say “do whatever God says” is objectively moral because David conducts a census exactly as God demands and God punishes him by killing his baby (and making the baby suffer for days on end).
Should children be punished for the sins of the parents. I can list the verses that say yes, and I can list the verses that say no. There’s no objectivity. So quit pretending like there is.
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There's plenty of evidence of the truthfulness of the warning. The Christian religion is not lacking in evidence, and the truthfulness of the claims support the claims about Hell.
Just stop lying. State what you believe - that’s fine. Just quit acting like there is any evidence to support your faith. That’s what faith is - belief without any supporting evidence.
Just read Hebrews 11:1…
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Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Or check the Oxford dictionary…
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Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
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There are some who will not believe the truth no matter what proof is provided.
Yes that’s the message “Luke” has for us. Hey, if they don’t believe Moses and the prophets, they won’t believe even if they witness someone raised from the dead. And that’s bullshite (At least for a sane, rational person). If anyone witnessed anyone really raised from the dead, it would be impossible to not believe there’s something going on there. That’s why “John” - who felt exactly the same as me in that regard - re-wrote the story of Lazarus as a man who was raised from the dead which caused people to believe in Jesus.
But you aren’t sane nor rational to understand and acknowledge basic 10th grade biology. So when you say…
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There are some who will not believe the truth no matter what proof is provided.
You’re actually talking about yourself.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 12:58 am to Squirrelmeister
I find it almost comical how you can write so much and say nothing of value. Your half truths are whole lies, and your understanding of the Bible is as bad as your moral compass.
If you keep spreading your lies, it will only make your destruction worse in the end if your do not turn away from them and embrace the truth of Jesus Christ.
If you keep spreading your lies, it will only make your destruction worse in the end if your do not turn away from them and embrace the truth of Jesus Christ.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:35 am to Squirrelmeister
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The catholic church has been sustaining a culture of child abuse and covering up the crimes of pedo priests for nearly 2000 years all over the world on every continent. That’s what they stand for - that is one of their core principles and they are widely known for this. It is not stated in any of their teachings or catechism, but it exists. And I’ve already stated that, and you are attempting to construct a fallacious straw man argument.
If it is not propounded in a formal document, either from the pope or the magisterium, then it is not a core principle. And again, the abuse rate among priests, and the covering up by their superiors, is trivial in the grand scheme of things. The rate is lower than for public school teachers. Do some actual research on the subject.
I’ve constructed no fallacious straw argument. I’ve simply stated facts. Your “argument” is that of dumb fvcking simple-minded hillbilly evangelicals who know nothing of Catholicism other than what the news readers tell them. Maybe you should stick to clogging with rattle snakes.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:39 am to FooManChoo
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I find it almost comical how you can write so much and say nothing of value
It might be helpful if you comprehended and attempted to understand. Too much to ask of you
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:00 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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If it is not propounded in a formal document, either from the pope or the magisterium, then it is not a core principle.
A core principle of the FBI under Biden was that “orange man bad” and “get trump” even though it wasn’t propounded in a formal document. Rape of young boys and cover up of crimes is a core principle of the Catholic Church though it is unpublished.
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And again, the abuse rate among priests, and the covering up by their superiors, is trivial in the grand scheme of things
You sick bastard. Trivializing the abuse of children. Sad.
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Conforming to their core principles…
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The investigation also revealed that the archdiocese failed to report many allegations of sexual abuse to authorities, conduct adequate investigations, remove abusers from the ministry or restrict their access to children.
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I’ve constructed no fallacious straw argument
Yes you have. You conjured a false scenario and then attacked it as it was what I was arguing.
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Your “argument” is that of dumb fvcking simple-minded hillbilly evangelicals who know nothing of Catholicism other than what the news readers tell them.
I’ve been a Catholic my entire life, including going to church most Sundays and my kids are in Catholic school. Even though I am an atheist, most do not know, and I am engaged in church and school activities, and know the catechism and the Bible quite well.
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Maybe you should stick to clogging with rattle snakes.
Idiot.
You do realize the handling of rattlesnakes is not the original ending of “Mark”? It’s a forgery.
ETA: I would never let my kids be an altar server or leave them alone with a priest.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 7:03 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:02 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Did you forget so quickly that I used to respond to your lies consistently? We had pages of discussion where I responded to your false claims about YAHWEH being a lesser god, or Chemosh being greater, or commanded rape and all that nonsense you post all the time to impugn your creator. It doesn’t make a difference because you just repeat it all again in another thread.
It might be helpful if you comprehended and attempted to understand. Too much to ask of you
So no, my lack of engagement with you is not due to me being a dummy who can’t comprehend the intellectually superior words and arguments you provide, or whatever lies you tell yourself. It’s because you are blinded by your own hatred for God and His son, Jesus Christ, and cannot see the truth. It is casting pearls before swine at this point.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:32 am to Bengalbio
quote:Idiot.
AI
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:12 am to Squirrelmeister
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I’ve been a Catholic my entire life, including going to church most Sundays and my kids are in Catholic school. Even though I am an atheist, most do not know, and I am engaged in church and school activities, and know the catechism and the Bible quite well.
OK, my bad. You’re not a dumb fvcking evangelical. You’re a dumb fvcking atheist. Apparently a former Catholic who was poorly catechized, and obviously someone who has knotted panties with regard to the Church. Clerical sexual abuse does not reflect Catholic principles. It represents a violation of Catholic principles, which is why we real Catholics ran them out of the church.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:56 am to FooManChoo
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So no, my lack of engagement with you is not due to me being a dummy who can’t comprehend the intellectually superior words and arguments you provide
It’s a three parter. There are three root causes. There are some things you can’t understand. You are also lazy. And lastly there are things you do not want to understand.
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I responded to your false claims about YAHWEH being a lesser god, or Chemosh being greater, or commanded rape
It’s not my claims about Yahweh being a lesser god. It’s in Deuteronomy 32:8-9. According to that ancient Israelite theology, Yahweh was a son of El Elyon, and received his inheritance from his father. When Psalm 82 was written during the Babylonian exile, Yahweh was not regarded by Jews of having authority on earth - only Israel. You know this already. Why deny it?
You of course lie about be saying Chemosh is greater than Yahweh. I only mention that Chemosh defeated Yahweh in 2 Kings chapter 3. Yahweh was with Israel and Elisha and they wandered out of the domain of Yahweh’s inheritance where he held authority (Israel and Judah) and was defeated by Chemosh where he held authority (Moab). A divine fury of Chemosh sent the Israelite coalition running home despite Elisha prophesizing that Israel would prevail. Most likely in their theology Yahweh would have defeated Chemosh if Moab attacked Israel on Israelite soil. Why deny this? You know what the bible says.
And of course Yahweh commanded rape. Let’s qualify that. Yahweh commanded the Israelites to murder all the male adults and babies and keep the young virgin girls of defeated people groups as wives aka sex slaves / concubines when committing genocide. Did the male Israelites have sex with women against their will - of course that is a resounding “yes”, and your deity commanded it. It’s not a secret, and I know you know this, so you are playing dumb and being deceitful.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 12:17 pm to lake chuck fan
There are some really good Priests out there, but there are also some activist priest as well. The problem as I see it, is that the Pope appoints the Bishops that will eventually appoint their successor. So what we have now is a hierarchy in the church that has a predominately political activist view instead of a faith based view of Catholicism.
Even the current Pope recently deferred back to "man" on the MN church shooting instead of sending society back to God's teachings. Everytime the hierarchy and Priest defer to politics they are elevating mortal "man" as leader over God.
How do they not understand this??? The answers is through Gods teachings, not politicians.
Even the current Pope recently deferred back to "man" on the MN church shooting instead of sending society back to God's teachings. Everytime the hierarchy and Priest defer to politics they are elevating mortal "man" as leader over God.
How do they not understand this??? The answers is through Gods teachings, not politicians.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:07 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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You’re not a dumb fvcking evangelical. You’re a dumb fvcking atheist.
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Apparently a former Catholic who was poorly catechized
When I am sitting in the pews, I guarantee I’m the most biblically and historically knowledgeable person in that building, and the only one that probably knows the catechism better than me is the priest. quote:
Clerical sexual abuse does not reflect Catholic principles on paper, but does in practice historically
There, I fixed your quote by completing the sentence in bold.
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which is why we real Catholics ran them out of the church.
So, it’s funny but you seem to be implying and acknowledging that there was rampant sexual abuse of children by the clergy and then the coverups. I’m really glad we found some common ground finally.
Now you are saying you ran them out of the church.
But here’s one from September 26, 2025
Former priest who served under two Louisiana governors arrested for allegedly raping disabled child
And another from May 22, 2025
New Orleans Archdiocese reaches $179 million sex abuse settlement
Well it seems to still be happening (the abuse) and worse is the cover up of the abuse is ongoing and the church is having to pay out billions in lawsuits.
You might be missing the point I was trying to make. It’s not that the entire church is completely evil. I was trying to say you shouldn’t throw out the church only because of some evil things that they do/did. Just like you shouldn’t not vote for the democrats or shouldn’t not vote for republicans just because they do some evil things. People have to look past that and vote for the party that best supports their interests despite that party maybe doing some naughty things.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, else you will end up a little bitch like our resident apologist who doesn’t even vote for the republicans.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:06 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Clerical sexual abuse does not reflect Catholic principles on paper, but does in practice historically
Actions of a minuscule minority do not reflect historical practice, the word you’re looking for is “anomaly”, dumbass. For you to be correct, it would have to be better than 50%.
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When I am sitting in the pews, I guarantee I’m the most biblically and historically knowledgeable person in that building, and the only one that probably knows the catechism better than me is the priest.
No. You’re a dumb fvcking atheist pseudo-intellectual that doesn’t even know the definition of “principle”. Sounds like you were a shitty catholic, raised by shitty Catholics.
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So, it’s funny but you seem to be implying and acknowledging that there was rampant sexual abuse of children by the clergy and then the coverups. I’m really glad we found some common ground finally.
Once again, you are proving yourself to be illiterate. All I did was acknowledge that a small minority of priests committed abuse, and we ran their asses out of the church. There was no “rampant” abuse, nor did I imply any such thing.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:34 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Actions of a minuscule minority do not reflect historical practice, the word you’re looking for is “anomaly”, dumbass. For you to be correct, it would have to be better than 50%.
No, the church has been covering up for pedo priests for centuries. Thats a systemic problem that shows the principles of the catholic church.
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All I did was acknowledge that a small minority of priests committed abuse, and we ran their asses out of the church.
And I provided some recently articles from this year showing that you are a full of shite retard.
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There was no “rampant” abuse
U.S. Catholic Church Spends $5 billion on 16,276 Clergy Sex Abuse Allegations in 20 Years
Idiot.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:37 pm to Squirrelmeister
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The catholic church has been sustaining a culture of child abuse and covering up the crimes of pedo priests for nearly 2000 years all over the world on every continent.
ETA: you cannot be Catholic and believe the things you believe.
You may act like a Catholic but your sin is pride. The greatest sin of them all
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:03 pm to Squirrelmeister
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No, the church has been covering up for pedo priests for centuries. Thats a systemic problem that shows the principles of the catholic church
No. A small minority of the hierarchy covered up for a small minority of bad priests. That is not “The Church”. You’ve had to invent your own definition of the Church to support your argument. You are either dishonest to r a blithering idiot, or both. Smart money is on both. You were ignorant as a Catholic, and now you’re even more ignorant as an atheist.
Under your reasonibg, the USA is a corrupt nation because federal, state and local officials in various parts of the country engage in corruption. That’s some pretty dumb reasoning, but it’s not surprising coming from you, idiot.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:05 pm to SallysHuman
Exactly
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