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re: I’m gonna have to say I’m gonna have to re-evaluate my feelings on James Mattis.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:46 am to FlyingTiger1955
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:46 am to FlyingTiger1955
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Mattie us a blowhard and had the press pump up what a badass he was. Not that it matters, but I have absolutely zero respect for him. I put him on the same level as Schiff and Nader, just dressed up in a uniform and medals.
In the end, Mattis did not acquit himself well at his positions of the highest responsibility. My own respect for him is as high as my respect for just about all Generals in the military system of the USA, which is, not very high.
I find that Americans as a group have a very highly inflated esteem for General and Flag Officers which puzzles me. Even Americans who have never served in uniform share this high esteem for Generals. I have admiration for a fine Non Commissioned Officer or Warrant Officer. I do not admire Generals because I know that they are political animals who are Generals because they are political animals.
Perhaps we are wrong to insult Mattis, but, we are not wrong to say that he failed at the position of highest responsibility to which he was appointed. That's not an insult, that's an observation and a personal opinion.
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:47 am to RollingwiththeTide
When he went hat in hand to be for more money, he lost all my respect.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:47 am to Champagne
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Alright, you've gone off the rails here with these comments. The only people who would express these dismal opinions are committed progressive Democrats, and, those folks have no credibility whatsoever.
Criticism of leadership should never be about politics. That's how we get shite leadership.
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If I was your commander
You've offered nothing but ineptness and anger. I'm confident that you being my commander would never be a problem I'd have to deal with.
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Trump is not a "great leader" in a military sense but he's enough of a good leader to get the job done.
I don't agree that he's "good enough." Certainly disagree that it's an acceptable standard to hold a President to.
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Trump bears responsibility for this?
Yes.
If you'd rather discuss that than be a jackass, feel free to offer something useful to the conversation.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:49 am to JayWhite
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Always fun to see a bunch of fat slobs shite talk someone better than them
Its more fun to watch illiterate democrats try to communicate with normal people.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:51 am to JayWhite
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Yes.
If you'd rather discuss that than be a jackass, feel free to offer something useful to the conversation.
No need to discuss an invalid ridiculous opinion. I discuss only feasible alternative opinions. You haven't demonstrated that you have any support for your opinion.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:51 am to davyjones
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So you're suggesting that we should've just up and bolted, lock stock and barrel?
Point out where I said, or even suggested that.
If you want to have a discussion, you need to refrain from putting words in my mouth.
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Has Trump denounced the United States or something, and I just don't know about it?
Is that the only standard for patriotism?
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:52 am to JayWhite
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I said that you dislike him because he didn't fall in line with Trump.
You can keep saying it, Carnak. I can say you're only defending him because you shared a sleeping bag and were buggering buddies; doesn't make it true.
And BTW, saying "I served with (fill in retired general)" doesn't mean shite. You may have been his best friend, you may have been someone he passed in the hallway one day. I don't care either way, and it certainly doesn't give you special insight into why I thought he was a mediocre SecDef.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
And you morons are still confused about how we lost to Biden. 
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its more fun to watch illiterate democrats try to communicate with normal people.
Yes, they always get combative and hostile whenever somebody challenges them to support their dismal ridiculous opinions, too!
Just like Tough Guy Joe, Fighting Man from head to toe!
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:55 am to JayWhite
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If you want to have a discussion, you need to refrain from putting words in my mouth.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:56 am to JayWhite
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And you morons are still confused about how we lost to Biden.
I knew that you had some constructive thoughts in you! You should start a separate thread soon and express your thoughts on that topic.
You should keep in mind that Trump is an Outsider who had never run for any political office. He could never be a perfect POTUS and a perfect US national leader.
I never allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:58 am to Champagne
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You should keep in mind that Trump is an Outsider who had never run for any political office. He could never be a perfect POTUS and a perfect US national leader.
I don't demand perfect. I think it's reasonable to expect competent. We haven't had that in what, decades now?
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:03 am to JayWhite
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Point out where I said, or even suggested that.
If you want to have a discussion, you need to refrain from putting words in my mouth.
Well, what's the opposite of "trickling out"? Are you offended by inference? Because I don't know how you're gonna have a decent conversation with anyone if you're not prepared to deal in some inference. It's a pretty common practice in dialogue.
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Is that the only standard for patriotism?
Ok, so since you've got Trump pegged as unpatriotic, how about share with us your evidence of same.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:07 am to JayWhite
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I don't demand perfect. I think it's reasonable to expect competent. We haven't had that in what, decades now?
In a POTUS? Compared to the finest battalion and brigade commanders that you ever saw, it would be rare to find any POTUS that could compare to that.
People would be interested in reading your explanation of two of your topics:
1) a breakdown of some specific points WRT why you think Trump was "bad" or whatever you say he was, and specifically why you think that Kabul is Trump's fault
2) why you say that people haven't figured out why Biden beat Trump
If you'd start separate threads on those two topics, me and lots of others would be interested. But as you know just about anybody who starts a thread is going to get some insults thrown at them in posts. That's just the way it is around here, but, your thoughts on those two topics IMHO would be good food for thought for everybody who like to read Political Talk.
But, OK, you've made your case that in general this thread has been perhaps too harsh on Mattis.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:09 am to davyjones
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Because I don't know how you're gonna have a decent conversation with anyone if you're not prepared to deal in some inference.
You're talking to a guy who 3 pages in said this:
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If you want to have a discussion, you need to refrain from putting words in my mouth.
After saying this:
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Always fun to see a bunch of fat slobs shite talk someone better than them because of their own political stupidity.
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You morons loved him until he went against Trump.
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the other is simply following a cult leader.
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that you don't understand beyond what Trump told you to think about it.
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I said that you dislike him because he didn't fall in line with Trump.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:11 am to Champagne
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But, OK, you've made your case that in general this thread has been perhaps too harsh on Mattis.
You serious Clark? All he's done is insult people. Hell, read his first post in the thread.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:18 am to Flats
...and not one instance of me misrepresenting what someone said.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:19 am to davyjones
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Are you offended by inference?
I'm not offended by anything.
I'm simply not willing to accept a misrepresentation of my point.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:21 am to Jjdoc
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They did NOT know. That's why they should be fired. We let an airbase go because of those bastards
But they did know. They chose to follow dumb orders.
Like others in this thread posted:
They're all in on it.
They'll get paid afterward in book deals.
The farce was intentional.
So then, why?
Global hegemonic order...
International security is diminished by continuing to allow nation states (the US) keep the peace. The UN will advocate for a separate security detail to run global order, the UK might be the one to push it.
China gets the lithium/resources.
CIA gets the poppies again (and Taliban by proxy)
The Taliban gets the weapons and to artificially run the nation for a bit.
The US citizen gets to end the quagmire.
In true Machiavellian fashion in the end, everyone is happy.
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:24 am to Champagne
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Compared to the finest battalion and brigade commanders that you ever saw, it would be rare to find any POTUS that could compare to that.
Competence isn't necessarily a measurement against others. Trump is a terrible leader. Sure, to the people who love him he's been "owning the libs." Yeah, that's funny, but so what.
You don't always get to pick who you lead. Trump never figured that out.
As far as the "figuring it out" comment. There's still a significant part of the party who refuses to accept that Biden did beat Trump. Sloping down from there, you eventually get to a few who can admit that Trump set himself up for the L.
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