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re: Illegal alien jumps out of car in AR and shoots at deputy.

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Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:29 pm to
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sky screams
Stats compiled by the Cato Institute, actually

Unless someone shows evidence reciting them, I’m just about the only non-skyscreamer here.

Illegal immigration is an issue, but isn’t a safety threat.
Posted by CleverUserName
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:31 pm to
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Illegal immigration is not a threat to our safety, and you can’t provide any stats to refute that. I know you wish you could, and we all know why.


I’ll just leave this here:

CIS.org

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The Federal Bureau of Prisons reports that 26.4 percent of inmates in federal prisons are non-U.S. citizens. Non-citizens are 8.6 percent of the nation’s adult population. However, federal prisons are not representative of prisons generally or local jails.


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Under contract to DHS in 2004, Fentress, Inc., reviewed 8.1 million inmate records from state prison systems and 45 large county jails. They found that 22 percent of inmates were foreign-born. But the report did not cover all of the nation’s jails


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The poor quality of data used in the PPIC and IPC studies is illustrated by wild and implausible swings. It shows a 28 percent decline in incarcerated immigrants 1990 to 2000 — yet the overall immigrant population grew 59 percent. Newer Census data from 2007 show a 146 percent increase in immigrant incarceration 2000 to 2007 — yet, the overall immigrant population grew only 22 percent.


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In 2009, 57 percent of the 76 fugitive murderers most wanted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) were foreign-born.


Just a few to chew on. There is more. Take a look
Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:31 pm to
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Illegal immigration is an issue, but isn’t a safety threat.


That’s adorable
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:32 pm to
Nothing you’ve provided addresses violent crime or refutes the findings that illegal immigrants are significantly less violent than natives.
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:34 pm to
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Illegal immigration is an issue, but isn’t a safety threat.


Again. If ONE illegal commits ONE violent crime safety has diminished
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:35 pm to
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Again. If ONE illegal commits ONE violent crime safety has diminished
Seems like you don’t understand how murder rates work.

If there are 100,000 people, and there are 8 murders, that’s pretty crappy.

If 100,000 new people show up, and there are 12 murders the next year, then this hypothetical world is mathematically safer for any given individual than it was before the new people showed up.

Illegal immigrants slightly decrease the murder rate. That is, they decrease the likelihood that a given individual will be murdered.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted by CleverUserName
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:38 pm to
You say now:
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Nothing you’ve provided addresses violent crime or refutes the findings that illegal immigrants are significantly less violent than natives.


But earlier you said:

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Illegal immigration is not a threat to our safety, and you can’t provide any stats to refute that.


The goalposts...Dey are a movin
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:39 pm to
Seems like you don’t understand simple math, safety, illegals, etc
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:40 pm to
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Seems like you don’t understand simple math, safety, illegals, etc


You are clueless.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:40 pm to
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The goalposts...Dey are a movin
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:41 pm to
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Seems like you don’t understand simple math
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:41 pm to
So you have 4 more murderd people that should not have been killed because the criminal should not have been here to commit the crime in the first place. How is this hard for you to grasp?
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:43 pm to
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So you have 4 more murderd people that should not have been killed because the criminal should not have been here to commit the crime in the first place. How is this hard for you to grasp?
There are more homicides in New York than in New Orleans.

Which city is safer and why?
Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:44 pm to
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SkyScreamingBob


This is the hill you choose to die on?

Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:45 pm to
If your crime total is X and you and to X regardless of how many people it takes to create more crime you still have more crimes committed. The rate doesn’t mean number of crimes only number of crimes per cap. If your illegal commits one crime it’s still one more crime committed than if he she wasn’t here at all.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:48 pm to
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The rate doesn’t mean number of crimes only number of crimes per cap.
So is less murders per capita a good thing or a bad thing?
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:48 pm to
A place occupied by 0 illegals has 0 crimes committed by illegals
Posted by DevilDogTiger
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:51 pm to
Less per cap is good but les total is better. That’s equates actual human lives. An illegal not here can’t murder someone here
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:52 pm to
I can see you get what I’m saying by your avoidance tactic here.

The point is that illegals don’t make us less safe, as indicated by basic math.

They make our credit card accounts less safe,
and that’s the biggest issue with them. But to connect violent crime with illegal immigration simply doesn’t add up.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:54 pm to
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It’s obvious with anyone thinking straight, but if you’re here illegally, the last thing you want to do is give the cops a reason to notice you. Hence, they tend to be better-behaved than we native-borns.


You keep posting the above along with

quote:

Illegal immigration is not a threat to our safety.

Why do you think this is relevant? It's not like you can exercise a swap of Americans for illegals.

You're treating the two groups as if they're interchangeable.

ANY crime by an illegal is ON TOP OF crime by Americans because unlike the Americans, the illegal isn't supposed to be here
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 10:56 pm
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