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If you want fiscal responsibility, elect Democrats
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:03 am
This was a fun read
I don’t understand why Democrats just don’t come out and blatantly say it, “We don’t think you should keep more of the money that you earn.” Seriously, Democrats believe they can spend our money more wisely than we can.
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Before last year’s big tax cuts, the economy was improving nicely. After the tax cuts, the economy is doing the same – for now, anyway. What’s different is the $1.9 trillion the tax cuts have tacked onto deficits.
If President Donald Trump and allied Republicans were so determined to blow a huge hole in the federal budget, they could have more usefully spent the money on roads, communications and other infrastructure. These would have enhanced productivity and put the money into blue-collar pockets, as opposed to rich-investor portfolios.
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It’s remarkable how little economic bang the tax cuts are delivering. The short-term stimulus did tweak this year’s growth. The Congressional Budget Office sees the gross national product expanding at 3.3 percent in 2018.
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During Barack Obama’s last year in office, the economy grew by 1.9 percent. The year before, it expanded by 2.6 percent. And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.
So let’s drop the baloney about Republicans being stewards of fiscal responsibility. Shortly after approving Trump’s reckless tax cuts, the Republican Congress voted to raise spending by $300 billion. Proving that they have a sense of humor, Republicans then followed with a vote for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. It failed to pass.
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No respectable economist ever bought into the argument put forth by Bush – and currently by Trump – that massive tax cuts necessarily pay for themselves in economic growth. Thus, Republicans wanting to look responsible talk a big game about pairing losses in tax revenues with serious cuts in spending. But they never ever do it.
The biggest federal expenditure, accounting for 26 percent of the budget, is health care. Nearly 60 percent of health care spending goes to the immensely popular Medicare program.
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House Republicans have just unveiled a budget proposal for 2019 that would chop more than a half-trillion dollars from Medicare. That’ll be the day.
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To recap, the last Democratic president left us with a growing economy, deficits coming under control and 15 million fewer uninsured Americans. And by the way, more jobs were created in Obama’s last 16 months than in Trump’s first 16 months.
I don’t understand why Democrats just don’t come out and blatantly say it, “We don’t think you should keep more of the money that you earn.” Seriously, Democrats believe they can spend our money more wisely than we can.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:06 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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What’s different is the $1.9 trillion the tax cuts have tacked onto deficits.
Receipts are at an all-time high.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.
That's not an accomplishment when he holds the record for not just the highest deficits in a single year, but the most deficit spending of any President. Three-quarters of a frickton is still a frickton.
I'll be happy if Trump cuts spending, but give the man some fricking time. Bill Clinton didn't have surpluses until the end of his second term.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:19 am to BBONDS25
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Receipts are at an all-time high.
3 decades of the same ol sh!t.
Take the divorce from reality of Jane and John Doe USA
"Honey I'm doin the budget and we are going in the red."
"Well I will see what I can do to make more."
"Honey we are worse off now as I have spending needs and we are in debt."
"So let me get this straight...the more I bring in the more you spend and the more we get in debt without you ever looking into what and how your spending my money?"
"Honey you need to pay your fair share so I can spend my fair share."
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:21 am to Bard
Bill Clinton didn’t have surpluses until Gingrich had been speaker for 6 years.
You think he would have had them with 8 years of Tom Foley? Clinton was famous for “triangulating” which means “doing what Gingrich told him to do”.
You think he would have had them with 8 years of Tom Foley? Clinton was famous for “triangulating” which means “doing what Gingrich told him to do”.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:28 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:I guess us common folk don’t get to participate in that fancy stock market thing.
rich-investor portfolios.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:29 am to TigerFanInSouthland
The only thing that I may agree with her on is the fact that Republicans do seem scared shitless to cut back spending in any huge way.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:32 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Thats because there is no true republican/democrat. They are of the same bird... they exist to spend money in order to generate more debt.
More debt = more interest dollars.
Country needs a hard reset.
More debt = more interest dollars.
Country needs a hard reset.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:33 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:37 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Was this written by a teenager?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:41 am to Bard
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Bill Clinton didn't have surpluses until the end of his second term
Bill Clinton didn't do shite - but was eventually forced to sign a budget deal by Newt Gingrich.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:41 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I’ll just leave this here as a reminder:
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Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 - just before Obama took office - stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000. As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.
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the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:48 am to AUbused
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office
Receipts are at an all time high. There is zero evidence the tax cut created a deficit. All evidence is to the contrary. I know that kind of spoils your talking point, but it is what it is.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:57 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Since I’m new to all of these political things, am I supposed to support less tax and less spending or the opposite?
These days I just don’t even know which bathroom am I supposed to use without making someone mad.
Let’s all be happy.
These days I just don’t even know which bathroom am I supposed to use without making someone mad.
Let’s all be happy.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:02 am to AUbused
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.
I don’t know any Republican that isn’t in office or has never been in office that doesn’t care about the deficit. Regardless of who’s in office.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 8:03 am
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:02 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:18 am to AUbused
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.
Pretty sure the Omnibus bill was widely criticized here with even the staunchest Trump supporters lambasting him for signing it. Hence why Trump said he’s not signing another one.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:27 am to TigerFanInSouthland
This to me has been the biggest disappointment from the first two years of trump and republicans. We haven’t cut spending at all. No fiscally conservative Democrat (if there is such a thing) would have given trump a vote on anything anyways. Republicans are better with debt and taxes than democrats but just slightly.
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