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If you want fiscal responsibility, elect Democrats

Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:03 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:03 am
This was a fun read

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Before last year’s big tax cuts, the economy was improving nicely. After the tax cuts, the economy is doing the same – for now, anyway. What’s different is the $1.9 trillion the tax cuts have tacked onto deficits.

If President Donald Trump and allied Republicans were so determined to blow a huge hole in the federal budget, they could have more usefully spent the money on roads, communications and other infrastructure. These would have enhanced productivity and put the money into blue-collar pockets, as opposed to rich-investor portfolios.


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It’s remarkable how little economic bang the tax cuts are delivering. The short-term stimulus did tweak this year’s growth. The Congressional Budget Office sees the gross national product expanding at 3.3 percent in 2018.


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During Barack Obama’s last year in office, the economy grew by 1.9 percent. The year before, it expanded by 2.6 percent. And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.

So let’s drop the baloney about Republicans being stewards of fiscal responsibility. Shortly after approving Trump’s reckless tax cuts, the Republican Congress voted to raise spending by $300 billion. Proving that they have a sense of humor, Republicans then followed with a vote for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. It failed to pass.


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No respectable economist ever bought into the argument put forth by Bush – and currently by Trump – that massive tax cuts necessarily pay for themselves in economic growth. Thus, Republicans wanting to look responsible talk a big game about pairing losses in tax revenues with serious cuts in spending. But they never ever do it.

The biggest federal expenditure, accounting for 26 percent of the budget, is health care. Nearly 60 percent of health care spending goes to the immensely popular Medicare program.


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House Republicans have just unveiled a budget proposal for 2019 that would chop more than a half-trillion dollars from Medicare. That’ll be the day.


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To recap, the last Democratic president left us with a growing economy, deficits coming under control and 15 million fewer uninsured Americans. And by the way, more jobs were created in Obama’s last 16 months than in Trump’s first 16 months.


I don’t understand why Democrats just don’t come out and blatantly say it, “We don’t think you should keep more of the money that you earn.” Seriously, Democrats believe they can spend our money more wisely than we can.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24626 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:05 am to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48095 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:06 am to
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What’s different is the $1.9 trillion the tax cuts have tacked onto deficits.


Receipts are at an all-time high.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51475 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:18 am to
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And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.


That's not an accomplishment when he holds the record for not just the highest deficits in a single year, but the most deficit spending of any President. Three-quarters of a frickton is still a frickton.

I'll be happy if Trump cuts spending, but give the man some fricking time. Bill Clinton didn't have surpluses until the end of his second term.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64169 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:19 am to
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Receipts are at an all-time high.


3 decades of the same ol sh!t.

Take the divorce from reality of Jane and John Doe USA

"Honey I'm doin the budget and we are going in the red."
"Well I will see what I can do to make more."
"Honey we are worse off now as I have spending needs and we are in debt."
"So let me get this straight...the more I bring in the more you spend and the more we get in debt without you ever looking into what and how your spending my money?"

"Honey you need to pay your fair share so I can spend my fair share."





Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:21 am to
Bill Clinton didn’t have surpluses until Gingrich had been speaker for 6 years.

You think he would have had them with 8 years of Tom Foley? Clinton was famous for “triangulating” which means “doing what Gingrich told him to do”.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:26 am to
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Posted by stniaSxuaeG
Member since Apr 2014
1577 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:28 am to
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rich-investor portfolios.
I guess us common folk don’t get to participate in that fancy stock market thing.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:29 am to
The only thing that I may agree with her on is the fact that Republicans do seem scared shitless to cut back spending in any huge way.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24626 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:32 am to
Thats because there is no true republican/democrat. They are of the same bird... they exist to spend money in order to generate more debt.

More debt = more interest dollars.


Country needs a hard reset.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7770 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:33 am to
I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32507 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:37 am to
Was this written by a teenager?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42517 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:41 am to
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Bill Clinton didn't have surpluses until the end of his second term


Bill Clinton didn't do shite - but was eventually forced to sign a budget deal by Newt Gingrich.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45163 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:41 am to
I’ll just leave this here as a reminder:

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Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 - just before Obama took office - stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000. As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.

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the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48095 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:48 am to
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office


Receipts are at an all time high. There is zero evidence the tax cut created a deficit. All evidence is to the contrary. I know that kind of spoils your talking point, but it is what it is.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27167 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 7:57 am to
Since I’m new to all of these political things, am I supposed to support less tax and less spending or the opposite?

These days I just don’t even know which bathroom am I supposed to use without making someone mad.

Let’s all be happy.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:02 am to
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.


I don’t know any Republican that isn’t in office or has never been in office that doesn’t care about the deficit. Regardless of who’s in office.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 8:03 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48294 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:02 am to
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And oh, the deficit as a percentage of the economy had fallen three-quarters by his last year.



Posted by Snazzmeister
IHTFP
Member since Jan 2015
1077 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:18 am to
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I dont understand why you cant come out and blatantly say you only care about deficits when a D is in office. Like all your fellow Republicans.


Pretty sure the Omnibus bill was widely criticized here with even the staunchest Trump supporters lambasting him for signing it. Hence why Trump said he’s not signing another one.
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2636 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:27 am to
This to me has been the biggest disappointment from the first two years of trump and republicans. We haven’t cut spending at all. No fiscally conservative Democrat (if there is such a thing) would have given trump a vote on anything anyways. Republicans are better with debt and taxes than democrats but just slightly.
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