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If we want to bring North Korea into 21st century, a human rights deal may be necessary

Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:18 pm
This column is some food for thought that's worth considering. Now, I'll tell you here that I'm not as big on human rights as the neocons in DC are as human rights is usually a tool to subjugate soverign countries that are no threat to american interests.

But let's be real about North Korea here. They're still literally a gigantic prison and labor camp fraudulently masquerading as a country with its subjects living in absolute squalor, filth, shite and piss. They are completely out there against international norms and if we're going to modernize the place, that has to be addressed.

If we're going to allow american and other foreign companies to operate there, provide capital and modernize the place to bring it into the 21st century, North Korea should provide a guarantee of a baseline of human rights and civil liberties for foreign actors working there, and the courts being fair with due process.

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The Helsinki Accords helped bring down the Iron Curtain. The same approach could work in the Hermit Kingdom.

Here's something you may not know about North Korea's dear leader, Kim Jong Un: He really cares about North Koreans.

Yes, he presides over a Gulag state in which his people live in constant fear. Yes, he has recklessly built nuclear weapons despite severe international sanctions. And yes, he allegedly dispatched an agent to poison his half-brother in Malaysia with a nerve agent.

But deep down, the dear leader really wants a modern, open economy.

This is at least what President Donald Trump and his closest advisers now say when asked what the U.S. is prepared to offer Kim in exchange for full denuclearization.

"We can create conditions for real economic prosperity for the North Korean people that will rival that of the South," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told CBS News. "It won't be U.S. taxpayers. It will be American know-how, knowledge, entrepreneurs, and risk takers working alongside the North Korean people to create a robust economy for their people."

This is important for a few reasons. To start, the U.S. position ahead of next month's Trump-Kim summit is that Trump will not be downgrading the alliance with South Korea. Historically, North Korea uses "denuclearization" to mean the U.S. should no longer extend its nuclear umbrella to Seoul. It's a good thing that this concession is apparently not on the table.

Pompeo's comment is also significant insofar as he is disclosing what Kim himself has told him in face-to-face meetings. In the past, the North Koreans have demanded oil and cash to keep their dysfunctional state afloat. The old formula was Pyongyang gives up its nukes in exchange for saving its regime.

What Pompeo, Trump and National Security Adviser John Bolton are now saying is that Kim actually wants to modernize his society — or to borrow Trump's phrase, bring his country "into the real world." That really is new. So it's worth calling Kim's bluff and testing that commitment.

In order to do that, Trump needs two agreements from Kim: a nuclear one and an agreement on human rights. After all, real economic development requires a baseline of political freedom — the two go hand in hand. If foreign corporations are going to invest in the country, their shareholders will need to have confidence that their workers won't be disappeared, that the courts are at least fair, if not independent.

There is some precedent for this. In 1975, the U.S., Europe and the Soviet Union signed the Helsinki Accords. It was primarily a security agreement that acknowledged Soviet sway over Eastern Europe, but it also included a third basket that explicitly committed Moscow to uphold the basic human rights of its citizens.

A year after the Helsinki Accords were signed, a group of Soviet dissidents formed a group to hold their country accountable to this international commitment. The agreement also established a link between dissidents behind the Iron Curtain and civil society in the free world. It was one important factor that ultimately led to the fall of the evil empire.


Serious thinkers have proposed a Helsinki approach in recent years for North Korea as well, among them former South Korean President Park Geun-hye. Frank Jannuzi, a former East Asian security expert on the staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made the case in 2013 that a Helsinki approach could begin to break the regime's information monopoly on its citizens, a necessary precondition to liberalization. As he wrote then in Foreign Policy, "Truth is a powerful antidote for fear and repression."

There are of course good reasons to be skeptical. Kim's family has a history of making promises and pocketing interim commitments. But then again, so did the Soviet Union.

If a Helsinki process worked for the dissidents behind the Iron Curtain, it can work for the dissidents in the Hermit Kingdom.


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Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:20 pm to
Any deal should include something on their human rights violations, to be honest.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:22 pm to
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human rights deal may be necessary


May be?
Posted by FinebaumsHair
Monroe, La
Member since Aug 2017
3001 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:23 pm to
frick that leave them in the Stone Age
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:34 pm to
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frick that leave them in the Stone Age



We're asking for complete, total, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization.

That's a big ask and we have to give something in return. We can't have it both ways. We're not gonna be like Obama and have our taxpayers paying a ransom of billions of dollars or provide a shite ton of oil.

No, we will provide access to the biggest economy on Earth with the finest capital it can produce. But if we're going to allow american companies to do business there, we need a baseline of human rights and civil liberties so our stakeholders can feel comfortable doing business there.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19273 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:38 pm to
Imposing human rights requirements would probably kill the deal.

You could place restrictions on US companies in the DPRK though, requiring them to obey US norms.

That in turn might compel the Koreans to change.

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I would reject the premise though. It’s up to the Koreans if they want to adopt western human rights.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:39 pm to
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leave them in the Stone Age
Sentiment understood. Analysis non-existent.
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5472 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:42 pm to
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Imposing human rights requirements would probably kill the deal.


Probably? It definitely would. The only reason they can remain in power is through police state totalitarianism. Take away their brainwashing, torture, education constraints, cultural quarantine, and iron fist and within a couple of years there will be a revolution.

They will not give up that which permits them to retain power.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:42 pm to
The administration getting a denuclearization/deconfliction deal done with tangible impacts would be fine, but my question all along is how this could occur without some human rights advancements.

Not in a "we should make Trump include it" way, but in a "how can you remove barriers to peace on the peninsula while still keeping people locked up in an oppressive system" way. It just seems impossible that Kim would think something significant could occur on one level and not the other, which makes me question whether he already came to terms with the reality that there would be a human rights overhaul (perhaps gradual) in NK.
Posted by SeasonOfSam
SELA
Member since Dec 2014
495 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:06 pm to
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we will provide access to the biggest economy on Earth with the finest capital it can produce


Last year I read a book titled Confessions of an Economic Hit Man that was likely recommended by someone on PT and it has me thinking about the economic opportunities in DPRK for companies with nefarious intentions.

For those that haven't read it, the book is centered around US sponsored companies offering infrastructure investments in underdeveloped countries that are justified using "aggressive" commercial models and secured by US funding. When those commercials aren't realized and the debts cannot be repaid, the country becomes indebted to the US--the debt repaid using either available natural resources, or world wide influence, or a combination of both.

Who knows how the sudden access to Western Markets and the associated influx of Western capital will play out, but it will be very interesting to follow.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:19 pm to
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You could place restrictions on US companies in the DPRK though, requiring them to obey US norms.


Actually, US norms would likely not be enough to guarantee safety and liberty for american companies and american workers in North Korea.

If anything, we will probably have to impose more restrictions for them there than they would see here stateside at home.
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