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re: If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they

Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by OutThatMelph
Member since Oct 2023
79 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:16 pm to
It is what it is. In 15 years the crime rate and murders will skyrocket like in the late 80s's-90's. Get ready to budget in some Iron gates around your doors and windows.
Posted by olddawginCa
Member since Aug 2023
811 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:18 pm to
Why are Dumocrats so concerned about premature babies dying in Gaza when they support killing premature babies in the womb?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10140 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:20 pm to
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What if the mother has an abortion scheduled for the next day, and a guy punches her in the stomach and kills the unborn baby?

Is it no longer murder because mommy had an appointment to murder the baby the next day ?


I know that the way that the California law is written is thus:

1. Anyone who intentionally or with reasonable foresight causes the death of an unborn child is guilty of a criminal charge.

2. There is an exception to the law and it is written such that if the mother of the child is the one responsible for the death of the child, the law doesn't apply.

So in California, that guy would still be technically guilty, though I doubt anyone would enforce the law in that case.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Tiger BTT
Member since Nov 2023
352 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:28 pm to
If a mother is pregnant with twins and delivers one of the twins prematurely, the birthed twin is protected by law against being murdered.
But the mother could legally murder the twin that is still in the womb.

That pretty much clarifies the evil of abortion.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53527 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:30 pm to
Your scenario has been brought up and discussed infinitum, the bottom line answer from liberals is the woman gets to decide wherher her child lives or dies became she has the burden and inconvenience of carrying the child to term. The woman decides if the child is a miracle blessing or a curse of irresponsibility. The other whacked out side of abortion is the man has no say but he is still required to support the child if the women decides to carry the child to term against his wishes.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14174 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:31 pm to
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Honestly, I'm not so sure any of you actually believe it's murder by any definition.


I do. Innocent children being killed because their parents were inconvenienced.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14174 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:33 pm to
The best mental exercise for this is to consider the following scenario:

A woman is on the way to get an abortion in her vehicle, but is hit by another vehicle and dies, killing her and the unborn baby. The person would be charged with 2 counts of manslaughter.

Yet if she got the the clinic without having the accident, she can have the abortion and kill the child and it’s considered stunning and brave healthcare.

Make it make sense.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:34 pm to
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In 15 years the crime rate and murders will skyrocket
you are assuming they will grow up to be criminals?
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
8008 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:35 pm to
they dont charge that in colorado to my understanding, depending on trimester.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53527 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:35 pm to
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Actually, by legal definition, abortion is not murder. If it was legally considered murder, women who have abortions would be charged with murder. Instead, they are charged with having an abortion. There is no anti-abortion law stating that abortion is murder.


I guess the woman ultimately decides if the death of an unborn child is murder, pretty simple, if the woman wants the child and some other person causes her to have a miscarriage or the child dies in the womb due to a criminal act it's considered a murder of the child, if the woman decides the child is unwanted it's called an abortion and a woman's right to choose.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116598 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:36 pm to
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The libs know it’s murder. They just don’t care.


Camille Paglia is very honest about it:
"I'm pro choice. But it's killing a person. We kill people all the time."
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:48 pm to
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I do. Innocent children being killed because their parents were inconvenienced.


Your inaction doesn't support that assertion.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:50 pm to
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The person would be charged with 2 counts of manslaughter.



They shouldn't be.

Next question.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53527 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

quote:

The person would be charged with 2 counts of manslaughter.

They shouldn't be.

Next question.


I guess the question and quandary is when is the death of an unborn child considered murder?

What are the circumstances to warrant murder or manslaughter charges of the unborn child?

It gets even more insane when many Dims/Groomers want the legal right to end the life of a child up to and including birth.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53527 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:00 pm to
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quote:The libs know it’s murder. They just don’t care.

Camille Paglia is very honest about it: "I'm pro choice. But it's killing a person. We kill people all the time."


Good for her, she's at least being honest and I can at appreciate that, she is however a person who condones the slaughter of millions of unborn children.....and that's despicable.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61996 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:01 pm to
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How does that make sense from a logical standpoint, even for Pro Choice people?






James 1:8 A double-minded man, is unstable in all his ways.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

I guess the question and quandary is when is the death of an unborn child considered murder?

What are the circumstances to warrant murder or manslaughter charges of the unborn child?


I'd guess it would probably line up with the circumstances for banning abortion.

quote:

It gets even more insane when many Dims/Groomers want the legal right to end the life of a child up to and including birth.


They're just as crazy as the "contraceptives are murder" crowd.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53527 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:11 pm to
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They're just as crazy as the "contraceptives are murder" crowd.


Maybe, but there will never be a restriction on contraceptives for people who are wanting them.....killing children at birth is next level insanity.

But as I asked, when is it murder and when is it a woman's choice?
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 5:13 pm
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