re: I want to hear from the Agnostics. What will the secular world eventually evolve into?

Get in touch with reality before you are destroyed by delusion.

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You keep claiming it's "immoral". Why? You have nothing but your personal feelings to base that claim on.

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Go ahead and make your case that slavery is moral.

It’s embarrassing the amount of spin the apologist will put on a simple thing like admitting slavery is immoral. I understand, I was where you are for most of my life. The question that snapped me out of it was “Why do you believe what you believe?”. That lead me to where I am today

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If you don’t know, then that makes you the authority, and Jensen no more credibility than your Hollywood overlords

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How does saying” I don’t know “ convey authority?

You are making a claim. I say your “evidence “ is lacking
That’s what I’m saying

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Without any moral absolutes or guide, what’s decent is ever changing

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You see that as a bug.

Many see it as a feature.

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Go ahead and make your case that slavery is moral.

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So you can't answer my question.

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Many see it as a feature.

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It was a great feature if you were a Jew living in Germany in the 30s. Or a Muslim living in China today. Or a 10 year old girl in the sex trade. Etc, etc.

Western morals and norms are explicitly Christian. That’s all there is to it. Even atheist who claim to be “good people” are defining “good” by a standard that only came into existence because of Christianity’s influence on the western world. So, as the world becomes less Christian, these standards will go by the wayside as well.

We’re all dead anyway. In a world without a God and without a judgment this world is all there is. And if it takes a million deaths to make this world a better place, then morally speaking, that’s the right thing to do. A life has no value if it stands in the way of the world becoming a better place for those who remain. That’s the logic of the French Revolution, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and many others who explicitly reject the Christian order. And of course, if they are correct about God, then one can’t really say they are wrong. You can, of course, disagree with their vision of the future and their methods, but you can’t really argue convincingly that they are wrong.

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You see that as a bug. Many see it as a feature.

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It wouldn’t bother me if society was actually improving, but we are devolving.

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Because it is immoral

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Oh, so you ARE making a claim. A claim that has no rational basis according to your worldview. That's all I asked; what is the basis for you to make this claim?