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re: I visited Appomattox today
Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:19 am to Tiger1242
Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:19 am to Tiger1242
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Unfortunately the south’s acceptance of slavery doomed it.
Northern states had slavery too.
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If the South would’ve ended slavery, not the slave trade but slavery itself, the seceded there is probably no war.
The north attacking the South had no relation to slavery, therefore the war still would have occurred. Lincoln ordered federal troops to attack citizens because they denounced his authority and we're taking vast amounts of wealth away from his dictatorial government.
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:30 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Who fired first?
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:27 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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The north attacking the South had no relation to slavery, therefore the war still would have occurred. Lincoln ordered federal troops to attack citizens because they denounced his authority and we're taking vast amounts of wealth away from his dictatorial government.
People with this lineup man…. Look the war never happens without slavery, yes sole of the Union states had slavery and yes people in the north were not much more accepting of black people than the south, but the war never happens without slavery because the south never tries to secede and the North never pressures them
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Lincoln ordered federal troops to attack citizens because they denounced his authority and we're taking vast amounts of wealth away from his dictatorial government.
first of all the South attacked Fort Sumter which was a US fort, second of all Lincoln didn’t order anyone to attack citizens he ordered the army to fight the Confederate army. If you agree with secession how can you say Lincoln attacked citizens? In your mind they weren’t American citizens anymorePosted on 8/27/21 at 6:33 am to Mo Jeaux
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Oh dear god. Aren’t you a teacher?
I don’t understand what you think is controversial about that statement, you are a conservative right? Do you think it’s OK for a person to own another person? Or are you trying to say that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War because if so that is just flat wrong
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:35 am to SCLibertarian
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What the Founding Fathers intended America to be died at Appomattox in April 1865. Today's perversion of a government can be directly traced back to the Union victory and the federal government's centralization of power.
For the idiots out there, this statement is NOT a defense of slavery.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:37 am to Tiger1242
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don’t understand what you think is controversial about that statement, you are a conservative right? Do you think it’s OK for a person to own another person? Or are you trying to say that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War because if so that is just flat wrong
Dear God, no I’m not a conservative.
Yes, I think it’s ok to own another person.
What an idiotic statement. The problem, is that you have now labeled just about every group of people in the past as evil. I bet you think you’re good with nuance too.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:45 am to Mo Jeaux
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The problem, is that you have now labeled just about every group of people in the past as evil.
OK I’m really not trying to start a fight here I promise, here is my issue with this argument. Society is supposed to change and evolve over time, yes slavery has been going on since the start of civilizations, but by the 1860s most advanced societies had stopped slavery because they learned that it was wrong. There is also the whole thing about how we were one of the first nations founded on the idea that all men are equal and every body has freedom but weren’t practicing that. We were/are supposed to be better than the civilizations that came before us on that front.
Kind of like how genocide used to happen all of the time in the ancient world. This is the reason why we don’t compare Sargon the great, Julius Caesar, or Ramses II to Hitler even though they all 3 tried to wipe out huge groups of people based on race/religion. Unfortunately that was more common and accepted or even encouraged in the past, just like slavery.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:03 am to Tiger1242
We can't just shite all over the original basic principles of this country everytime someone yells "slavery!".
Of course it's wrong and embarrassing that it was still around at that point. But that doesn't change the fact that wasn't really the cause for the war. It did contribute to the economic status quo at the time that did lead to acts of nullification on the part of South Carolina re tarrifs.
But Lincoln would not go to war over slavery. He went to war to establish and expand federals dominance.
Of course it's wrong and embarrassing that it was still around at that point. But that doesn't change the fact that wasn't really the cause for the war. It did contribute to the economic status quo at the time that did lead to acts of nullification on the part of South Carolina re tarrifs.
But Lincoln would not go to war over slavery. He went to war to establish and expand federals dominance.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:16 am to G The Tiger Fan
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I agree. A lot of people will think that's too far back in history to matter but it has been used by many sinc then to push the idea that there is no escape from the central government.
This is true. But a lot of those same people will go over 200 years further into history to explain all that ills them.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 8:41 pm to RiverCityTider
Thank the Lord! I am not alone in this. There are others who can actually read and understand what these United States are, not what the United States is. (Or at least how it was intended when founded as a federal government joining sovereign states via a limited federal government. Not under a federal government.
Alas, that dream died long ago. (I always cringe a bit on my birthday. It's April 9. I was born on the 103 anniversary of that surrender.)
Alas, that dream died long ago. (I always cringe a bit on my birthday. It's April 9. I was born on the 103 anniversary of that surrender.)
Posted on 8/27/21 at 8:47 pm to Wolfgang Wolfhausen
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The confederacy would have ended the slave trade on its own, they already were making plans to end the importation of new slaves.
the CSA secretary of state judah benjamin offerred to end it in 1864 as long as the north allowed secession.
lincoln said no. lincoln did not give two shits about slaves and said as much. he cared about POWER! and maintaining the union.
Posted on 8/27/21 at 8:51 pm to Wolfgang Wolfhausen
And with agricultural technology advancements over the 40 years after the Civil War, slavery would have died on it's own. Why would you need people to do what tractors can 1000 times more efficiently?
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