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Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by gymnopedies13
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:25 pm to

Here's a website that documents Covid vaccine refusers who either died from Covid or deeply regretted not getting vaxed.
You'll find that most of them said the same things you all are -- that the shot didn't work, or was some evil plot by Democrats, or blah blah blah.
You'll see their social media posts too. Most of them give anti-government rants and swear they'll never get the shot, then they stop posting, and a month later a relative pops on and says they died from Covid.
LINK
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
11091 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:28 pm to
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Here's a website that documents Covid vaccine refusers who either died from Covid or deeply regretted not getting vaxed.


Do you have a corresponding website of people that died after getting the Covid vaccine, now have blood clots when they didn't before or perhaps now have myocarditis?
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:31 pm to
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Do you have a corresponding website of people that died after getting the Covid vaccine, now have blood clots when they didn't before or perhaps now have myocarditis?


No, because I've looked at those websites and people are mostly making false claims.
Myocarditis is an allergic reaction that happens about 1 in 2,000,000 doses with any vaccine, from polio on up. It's treatable.
Guess what else causes myocarditis, but at a rate more than 100 times higher than allergic reactions to vaccines?
Answer: Covid.

Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3228 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 5:59 pm to
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No, because I've looked at those websites and people are mostly making false claims.


Are you claiming fake news?

What a frickstick
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
11091 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:06 pm to
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I've looked at those websites and people are mostly making false claims.


You are basing this on what exactly?

Are you a doctor and therefore have examined them?
Posted by TuDog
Boston
Member since Jun 2005
4340 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:18 pm to
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He probably would have died if he didn't.
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:52 pm to
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You are basing this on what exactly?

Are you a doctor and therefore have examined them?



If you look at websites claiming the Covid vaccines don't work, or are poison, etc., what they all do is cull raw data and claims from VAERS (which in its own disclaimer says that laypersons should not use VAERS data to draw conclusions), then claim something on there proves the vaccines either don't work, or are dangerous, or killed them somehow.
A standard post will say "My 80 year old father got vaccinated for Covid, then eight months later he fell down the stairs and died, so he was killed by the jab."
I'm not exaggerating. Most anti vax stuff out there basically says anyone who died for any reason after vaccination was killed by the vaccine.
Antivaxers live and die by the correlation-causation fallacy. And nothing on VAERS is verified, ever. It's a raw data dump. And yet it's become the anti vax Rosetta Stone. Right on the VAERS site they tell you that nothing reporting there is any kind of proof a vaccine caused any kind of adverse health event. But all antivaxers do for their "proof" is cite shite from VAERS, and cherry-picked studies that have been dismissed for flawed methodology. It's the Dunning Kruger effect on steroids.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 6:55 pm
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3278 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:25 pm to
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No, because I've looked at those websites and people are mostly making false claims.
Myocarditis is an allergic reaction that happens about 1 in 2,000,000 doses with any vaccine, from polio on up. It's treatable.
Guess what else causes myocarditis, but at a rate more than 100 times higher than allergic reactions to vaccines?
Answer: Covid.



Have you looked at your own false claims?

Myocarditis is not an allergic reaction, it's inflammation. It can be the result of an allergic reaction, but is not even in top 5 of causes. It leaves scarring more often than not, which does not heal as the heart muscle does not regenerate on it's own.

First, you say it is an allergic reaction.
Then, you say a virus causes myocarditis at 100x the rate of allergic reactions to vaccines.

You're fulla equine dung.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3278 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:33 pm to
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If you look at websites claiming the Covid vaccines don't work, or are poison, etc., what they all do is cull raw data and claims from VAERS (which in its own disclaimer says that laypersons should not use VAERS data to draw conclusions), then claim something on there proves the vaccines either don't work, or are dangerous, or killed them somehow. A standard post will say "My 80 year old father got vaccinated for Covid, then eight months later he fell down the stairs and died, so he was killed by the jab." I'm not exaggerating. Most anti vax stuff out there basically says anyone who died for any reason after vaccination was killed by the vaccine. Antivaxers live and die by the correlation-causation fallacy. And nothing on VAERS is verified, ever. It's a raw data dump. And yet it's become the anti vax Rosetta Stone. Right on the VAERS site they tell you that nothing reporting there is any kind of proof a vaccine caused any kind of adverse health event. But all antivaxers do for their "proof" is cite shite from VAERS, and cherry-picked studies that have been dismissed for flawed methodology. It's the Dunning Kruger effect on steroids.



"I'm not exaggerating."

Neither am I when I tell you that entire post is nothing short of pure, nonsensical garbage.
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:35 pm to
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"I'm not exaggerating."

Neither am I when I tell you that entire post is nothing short of pure, nonsensical garbage.


It's not nonsense at all. 99% of anti vax propaganda is based on the correlation-causation fallacy.
VAERS is a raw data dump, not a factual documentation of adverse events caused by vaccines. The website itself even tells you this, but antivaxers choose to ignore that inconvenient truth.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
11091 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:37 pm to
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It's not nonsense at all.


Except that it is, and I suspect you know it is, but you are getting compensated to say otherwise.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 7:38 pm
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:41 pm to
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Except that it is, and I suspect you know it is, but you are getting compensated to say otherwise.


No one is paying me to say anything here.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
11091 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:08 pm to
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No one is paying me to say anything here.



Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:17 pm to
In.
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3228 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:07 pm to
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No one is paying me to say anything here.


That’s awful

It means you are just a dumb arse and you need to
shut the frick up
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:17 pm to
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MemphisGuy


Prove I'm being paid to post here.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:20 pm to
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Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:21 pm to
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It means you are just a dumb arse and you need to
shut the frick up



Make me, big boy
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3278 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:02 am to
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No.
The vaccine isn't a treatment for Covid. It's a preventative vaccine. It doesn't treat people with Covid.



It's not a preventative "vaccine" in that it doesn't prevent infection or transmission, nor can it be proven to prevent hospitalization on an individual basis. This investigational drug is not a one size fits all.

This is reflected in the changes of the definition of "vaccination", which I've already shown you...

...prevent the disease (pre-2015)
...produce immunity (2015-2021)
...produce protection (Sept 2021)

Looks like they're lowering the bar/going in the wrong direction with vaccinations.


Paxlovid failed its Phase II & III clinical trials, by the way.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3278 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:44 am to
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It's not nonsense at all. 99% of anti vax propaganda is based on the correlation-causation fallacy.
VAERS is a raw data dump, not a factual documentation of adverse events caused by vaccines. The website itself even tells you this, but antivaxers choose to ignore that inconvenient truth.



I'm quite familiar with VAERS, and your juvenile efforts to paint those of us that have retained our ability to think critically & independently as somehow being less informed than you vaxaddicts is a foolhearted notion at best.

Next, you're gonna tell me anyone can enter any data into VAERS, so it can't be trusted...
Or, VAERS does not establish causation...

Have you ever attempted to submit a report?
I doubt it.
Are you aware of the underreporting factor, and/or know what that number is?


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99% of anti vax propaganda is based on the correlation-causation fallacy.


More made-up nonsense aka personal propaganda.

You got it bad...
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