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re: I reject the idea that young adults/millennials “have it harder” than boomers at that age
Posted on 3/30/19 at 3:59 pm to kingbob
Posted on 3/30/19 at 3:59 pm to kingbob
quote:Gotcha Thats why I stayed out of Petroleum engineering.
Job prospects weren’t fantastic, but they weren’t that bad when I was applying for law school,
But you’re in a great field to earn a fantastic living withhe right specialization and clientele. You’re going to have to go that client base though. It won’t come to you.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:00 pm
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:00 pm to Taxing Authority
You say “learn to code”, but I have a friend who did just that. He can code all day, but because he only has an associates degree, software companies won’t touch him. Those same companies will move heaven and Earth to accommodate H1Bs because they’re cheap, and if they complain, the company can send them back where they came from. So now, he’s been spending the past 3 years trying to get a bachelors degree because HR people won’t talk to him without one. They get more than enough applicants who can code that have a degree as well, that they have no reason to waste time on someone who only has an associates. When people drop this bullshite in these threads, I know they are completely out of touch with reality.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:04 pm to Esquire
The generation currently collecting SS bitching about the “entitled” is the definition of irony.
Inb4 SS isn’t an entitlement or welfare
Just like you, we were forced into paying SS. You can bet your arse I'm getting as much of mine back as I can.
Just like you, we would have preferred to put the money in a savings or investment account.
Just like you, we bitched about it too.
Just like you, there was nothing we could do about the robbery but live it out.
Inb4 SS isn’t an entitlement or welfare
Just like you, we were forced into paying SS. You can bet your arse I'm getting as much of mine back as I can.
Just like you, we would have preferred to put the money in a savings or investment account.
Just like you, we bitched about it too.
Just like you, there was nothing we could do about the robbery but live it out.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:04 pm to kingbob
quote:
You say “learn to code”, but I have a friend who did just that. He can code all day, but because he only has an associates degree, software companies won’t touch him. Those same companies will move heaven and Earth to accommodate H1Bs because they’re cheap, and if they complain, the company can send them back where they came from. So now, he’s been spending the past 3 years trying to get a bachelors degree because HR people won’t talk to him without one. They get more than enough applicants who can code that have a degree as well, that they have no reason to waste time on someone who only has an associates. When people drop this bull shite in these threads, I know they are completely out of touch with reality.
Has your friend tried going the "JavaScript on your phone route", it appears to have a 100% placement rate at a tech company where you can brag about your >= $100,000 salary while living with four roommates because you're still broke relative to your location.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:06 pm to Blaeke
quote:meaningless. The experience may be too. I have a ton of FORTRAN experience. Completely unmarketable. Well, maybe academia.
I have a friend with a graduate degree in Computer Science and extensive experience in programming but
quote:Seems to work when we talk about “millionairs and billionaires”.
he can't even get a call back from a large tech company like Microsoft[/quoteNothing like trying to start at the top.
[quote]Oh wait, survivorship bias is an actual thing and cherry picking exceptions doesn't make it the rule
Jokes aside it point to the differential in resourcefulness. Milleneals want to “apply for jobs” ( doubtlessly online). Others teach themselves, work on open source projects, and actually produce things at smaller firms and startups to get there. I have no doubt if a motivated millineal applied the same most they could be just as successful. They have a lot more intrinsic advantages.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:11 pm to Taxing Authority
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f this thread is any indication it’s because they are living in the past. Like I said.. Nigerians have figured this out. Why can l’tan American Milleneals?
Being a failure doesn’t prove anything.
Nope, it is systemic, a fact you keep ignoring. I have plenty of friends just like your Nigerian friend. They’re awesome and they’ve done well. That doesn’t mean a couple of anecdotes disproves a systemic problem.
My grandparents didn’t finish 8th grade. They did well. So what? I’m not comparing Millennials to them and no one is here. The valid comparison is to Boomers and Xers. Millennials come up short on that systemic advantage comparison.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:11 pm to kingbob
quote:Nope. That’s just part of it. You also have do some actual work for startups, open source.... everyone has a path.
You say “learn to code”,
quote:He need to do some more digging. All of the majors outside of the FAANGS hire non-degreed people. Have to demonsstratr your value though. Relying on Associates degree ain’t gonna get it.
but I have a friend who did just that. He can code all day, but because he only has an associates degree, software companies won’t touch him.
quote:You’re doing it wrong. Already covered it.
because HR people won’t talk to him without o
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:14 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:You should be asking why illegal immigrants and foreign nationals living in abject poverty aren’t having these same problems.
Nope, it is systemic for America’s millineals , a fact you keep ignoring.
quote:No one in this thread is comparing millineals to previous generations?
My grandparents didn’t finish 8th grade. They did well. So what? I’m not comparing Millennials to them and no one is here.
ok. You're delusional. This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:15 pm to Taxing Authority
It has very little to do with resourcefulness and it has a lot to do with general luck. As much as you hate to admit this, a lot of your "advice" boils down to survivorship bias.
"I worked hard and won the lottery. Therefore if you work hard, you will also win the lottery."
"I worked hard and won the lottery. Therefore if you work hard, you will also win the lottery."
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:17 pm to Blaeke
quote:Sure. I hear MSFT has a giant basket and they just pull out a resume and BAM! You’re hired!!
It has very little to do with resourcefulness and it has a lot to do with general luck.
quote:Ypure the only one claiming this, and it’s insulting to those that worked their arses off.
"I worked hard and won the lottery. Therefore if you work hard, you will also win the lottery."
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:19 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
You should be asking why illegal immigrants and foreign nationals living in abject poverty aren’t having these same problems.
Millennial immigrants of all stripes are having the same fricking problem, dude. Maybe worse.
Find me one fricking person who’s said Millennials have it worse than the Greatest Generation? I double dog dare ya because you can’t. Your reading comprehension needs work.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:20 pm to Taxing Authority
And it’s insulting that you cannot see that millennials work their arses off too...as baristas, uber drivers, and servers because they cannot get jobs in their fields because they don’t already come out of school with “five years experience”. 
The issue is that the entry level jobs for college grads don’t exist, and without that rung being reachable, it’s extremely difficult for millennials that don’t invent the next facebook to climb their way up the economic ladder into the middle class. That bottom rung existed for boomers, but it’s really hard to find for millennials. The fact that they have to resort to “making their own luck” proves the argument that they do, by nearly every statistical metric, have a harder time economically than did boomers at the same age.
The issue is that the entry level jobs for college grads don’t exist, and without that rung being reachable, it’s extremely difficult for millennials that don’t invent the next facebook to climb their way up the economic ladder into the middle class. That bottom rung existed for boomers, but it’s really hard to find for millennials. The fact that they have to resort to “making their own luck” proves the argument that they do, by nearly every statistical metric, have a harder time economically than did boomers at the same age.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:22 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Ever been to HOU, ATX, SFO?
Millennial immigrants of all stripes are having the same frocking problem, dude. Maybe worse
quote:Its never too late to read this thread
Find me one fricking person who’s said Millennials have it worse than the Greatest Generation
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:25 pm to Taxing Authority
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quote:
Millennial immigrants of all stripes are having the same frocking problem, dude. Maybe worse
Ever been to HOU, ATX, SFO?
quote:
Find me one fricking person who’s said Millennials have it worse than the Greatest Generation
Its never too late to read this thread
Yep, and I live in another hotbed of successful immigrants doing cool shite and making money. Anecdotes, for the fifth time, don’t change a systemic problem.
You seem to be deliberately ignoring a problem because it doesn’t fit your worldview. If you can’t even acknowledge it, then I hope you’re ready for more Ocasio-Cortez’s and worse, because they’re coming.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:27 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Ypure the only one claiming this, and it’s insulting to those that worked their asses off.
It's insulting to those who worked their asses off when you say that their lack of success is due to not working hard enough and not being resourceful enough and then pulling out some garbage anecdote about a random Nigerian guy that you know who managed to accomplish more by learning JavaScript on their phone. By your own example, it shows that the hiring process at M$ is essentially picking a name out of a basket.
If the barrier to entry is that low, Kingbob, just learn JavaScript on your phone, it worked for Nigerian anon. There probably wasn't luck or other factors that played into the hire.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:28 pm to texridder
quote:
The job market is worse now too.
bullshite. Only morons believe this. Oh, look at you.
quote:
One of my partner's sons has a BS in biology and applied for a contract (full time, but for a limited duration) basic lab research job posted by local company which was for 3 job openings. They got 125 applications and 25 of the applicants had masters degrees.
And probably 5 or so had Ph.D.'s My fiancée double majored chemisty and biology and had enough sense to know those are dead-end degrees unless you plan on graduate school. Her Ph.D. is in cellular and molecular pathology and that's so she can be a college dean at a dental school if she so chooses in the future.
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This wasn't history major looking for a job.
Actually it's practically the same and has been for a long time. Outside of engineering, BS in basic STEM fields like biology, chemistry, mathematics, computer science aren't worth much when there are thousands holding Ph.D.'s applying for those positions.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:31 pm to kingbob
And it’s insulting that you cannot see that millennials work their arses off too...as baristas, uber drivers, and servers because they cannot get jobs in their fields because they don’t already come out of school with “five years experience”
If I'm desperate, I would resort to desperate means. Go offer your knowledge to them for FREE, for a week or two.. That should at least show them you are willing to work and maybe get your resume put into the serious file. You won't be out anything because you are already unemployed.
If I'm desperate, I would resort to desperate means. Go offer your knowledge to them for FREE, for a week or two.. That should at least show them you are willing to work and maybe get your resume put into the serious file. You won't be out anything because you are already unemployed.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:31 pm to Clames
Have you tried to find a job straight out of school recently? I have, and it’s really f$&king hard. Most of my friends that weren’t hired thanks to nepotism are really struggling as well.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:33 pm to Themole
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If I'm desperate, I would resort to desperate means. Go offer your knowledge to them for FREE, for a week or two.. That should at least show them you are willing to work and maybe get your resume put into the serious file. You won't be out anything because you are already unemployed.
That’s called an internship. Those jobs don’t count towards that “5 years experience” unfortunately. Also, most places (other than government) won’t allow you to do this even if you could afford to.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 4:42 pm to Blaeke
quote:Nope. I realize that many unsuccessful people work their asses off. If I went into the buggy whip busines I could work my arse off and never make a profit. Damn economy is so bad I can’t sell buggy whips like my grandparents did!!
It's insulting to those who worked their asses off when you say that their lack of success is due to not working hard enough and not being resourceful enough
WHATypu do matters more than how MUCH you do. Participation isn’t enough. It never was.
This post was edited on 3/30/19 at 4:51 pm
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