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re: "I refuse to be a slave to religion!"
Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:55 am to CPTDCKHD
Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:55 am to CPTDCKHD
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Do you believe in objective morality? (Things are good or bad- regardless of who is observing them)
I do not believe such a thing can exist, even giving Christians a dozen miracles to give their god all sorts of unimaginable powers and properties of existence.
We're all in the same boat.
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:59 am to CPTDCKHD
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This is patently false. The vast majority of scholars agree on the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ as historical fact.
Citation needed.
Also, there's a massive historical contradiction on his birth, though (See the Herod/Quirinius timeline contradiction).
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:00 am to Azkiger
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I do not believe such a thing can exist
So mass murder is not objectively wrong...correct?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:01 am to RollTide1987
Spirituality should change who you are.
If you have to change for religion, its a false religion. There's no overriding set of rules for moral spiritual behavior.
Spirituality is ALWAYS individual, not collective.
If you have to change for religion, its a false religion. There's no overriding set of rules for moral spiritual behavior.
Spirituality is ALWAYS individual, not collective.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So mass murder is not objectively wrong...correct?
Like the children drowned in Noah's flood?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:02 am to TGFN57
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Some poor lost souls worship an orange wigged grifter. Go figure.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:02 am to Azkiger
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Like the children drowned in Noah's flood?
What a deflection.
Why did you ask me? Have I advocated for this as a true story?
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:03 am to CPTDCKHD
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Many atheists know much more of God’s Word than many Christians do. Yet, they do not know God.
Disagree. Because it's slight of hand.
Atheists often "read" the Bible -- and as has been touched on in this thread, hypocrisy and legalism is cited (just as in the case of The Pharisees vs. Jesus Christ.) Atheists may indeed "read" Scripture but do NOT nor cannot "know the Word of God" -- which is why they remain Atheists.
OTOH, yes, some Christians may not "know" Scripture *but* still know" the Word of God and His Message of The Gospel. (And that my friend is all that really matters.)
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What a deflection.
Welcome to any thread with him that discusses religion.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:06 am to Flats
He sure doesn't want to answer anything without deflecting.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:07 am to Liberator
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Atheists often "read" the Bible -- and as has been touched on in this thread, hypocrisy and legalism
Evidently legalism is the trigger.
Board Lawyers seem the most triggered.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:08 am to AggieHank86
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I have never understood the PRIDE that religious folks take in just BELIEVING something for which there exists ZERO objective evidence ... as if naivety and gullibility were some sort of virtues
No doubt. Pride and ignorance go hand in hand. But, to claim that there is no objective, historical evidence to justify belief in Jesus is just false. There are many extra-biblical accounts of Jesus Christ.
Seek and you will find.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What a deflection.
I've already answered your question about objective morality, I haven't deflected anything. You know my stance, stop wasting my time rephrasing the same question and make your point.
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Why did you ask me? Have I advocated for this as a true story?
Do you believe in the 10 plagues of Egypt?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:12 am to Azkiger
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Azkiger
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Like the children drowned in Noah's flood?
I know you're an Un-Believer. I get the gist...
But do you know the circumstances under which God was compelled to flood the earth during Noah's time?
An aside -- if God is God, the Creator of all things -- including Love, Purpose, and Justice -- how does a creation of The Almighty, a mere mortal deign to judge the morality, reason and eternal mind of God?
Trying to understand God's Ways is like a dog or cat trying to understand humans.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:13 am to Azkiger
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:14 am to CPTDCKHD
quote:FIFY
The vast majority of scholars (at Oral Roberts University) agree on the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ as historical fact.
Seriously, I think that most "scholars" acknowledge at least the POSSIBILITY that an historical "Yesha bar Yusef" lived as a itinerant Jewish ascetic in 1st-Century Samaria/Galilee and even that the Romans may have disposed of him as a favor to the Judean religious hierarchy. Josephus (writing two generations after the crucifixion) certainly seems to have believed that he EXISTED, at a minimum. At the same time, there is little debate that Medieval copyists SUBSTANTIALLY revised the actual words that Josephus wrote about him.
You will have some trouble establishing the same level of agreement as to a belief in an actual physical resurrection after that crucifixion or the various other supernatural events later attributed to him.
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:15 am to Azkiger
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Do you believe in the 10 plagues of Egypt?
Nope, Old Testament is legalistic, fear oriented bullshite.
Christ came to free you from that stuff, you can't escape it.
You must be a lawyer.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
The evangelicals and Bible-thumping neo-Cons of the 80s have themselves to blame for the social blowback they are getting now. Mind your business and let people be, it's not that hard. Yet you won't and you'll continue projecting your spiritual insecurities onto others, then graciously dawn the mantle of martyr like so many of your ilk when people gey tired of listening to your bullshite.
If I wanted to mingle with the biggest community of hypocrites and closet freaks on planet Earth I would walk into your average Southern church on a Sunday.
Fwiw, I was raised in and around Church. I was and still am a believer. The man-made institutions of "Church" are beyond flawed. I've seen corruption and scandals in churches that would make a Louisiana politician blush.
If I wanted to mingle with the biggest community of hypocrites and closet freaks on planet Earth I would walk into your average Southern church on a Sunday.
Fwiw, I was raised in and around Church. I was and still am a believer. The man-made institutions of "Church" are beyond flawed. I've seen corruption and scandals in churches that would make a Louisiana politician blush.
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:19 am to Liberator
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But do you know the circumstances under which God was compelled to flood the earth during Noah's time?
How can an all powerful all knowing God be compelled to do anything?
There was a peaceful way to solve the supposed issue, and the creators of Judaism, being the product of bronze age thought and not a divine hand, didn't even stop and think about the morality of drowning children. This was the same tribe of people that killed and raped prisoners of war.
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An aside -- if God is God, the Creator of all things -- including Love, Purpose, and Justice -- how does a creation of The Almighty, a mere mortal deign to judge the morality, reason and eternal mind of God?
So I'm not to be the judge of my own beliefs? I should turn my brain off and just believe?
Thanks for saying me from the slavery of secularism!Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:22 am to Diamondawg
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Isaiah 41:10
New Living Translation
10 Don’t be afraid, for I am with you.
Don’t be discouraged, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you.
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