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re: "I refuse to be a slave to religion!"
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:28 am to Liberator
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:28 am to Liberator
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I know many people who sincerely admit, "I wish I could believe; I wish I could have faith."
The point is, those same people exercise faith everyday. Faith in their fellow man, faith in a lightning strike not killing you on your way to school, or faith that your brakes wont fail. We live in an uncertain world and we are a fragile species. I don't believe its fair to tether the entire concept of faith to religion, and I dont think its fair to condemn the religious for having faith in the absence of evidence.
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Stop trying to equate religious faith with a general use of the term. Context matters.
Odd. I wasnt talking to you, directing that comment toward you, or even addressing a point you attempted to make.
We are trying to have a good discussion here.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:31 am to Azkiger
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How do you figure? If I adhere to a particular philosophy, then, say 5 years later, am confronted with something that really sours my opinion of said philosophy I can reject it and find a different philosophy that suits my understanding of reality better.
Christians cannot say the same. Divine revelation cannot be wrong. That's why it's dying right now (and while I don't think it's correct I do fear what looks to replace it). It's trying to navigate a 21st century world with, at best, 2,000 year old ideas.
So no, I don't think slaves get to select/change their masters. There's certainly some sort of relationship there, but it's not slave and master.
Huh? You literally just described being a slaves to the whims of the universe, to "progress." That your soul/identity is ground in NOTHING substantial except for change itself. And you view that as a good thing?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:35 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't care what other people believe. Just stop pretending that you have authority over anyone because "god said." It's utter nonsense and intellectually stale.
I can get behind that. But many atheists and agnostics try to do the same thing with religious people. Covid lockdown policy being a recent example. How about we leave each other tf alone?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:48 am to Vacherie Saint
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Odd. I wasnt talking to you, directing that comment toward you, or even addressing a point you attempted to make.
You aren't any less correct.
You've also selected an odd platform if you're looking for a private discussion.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't put stock in the afterlife. We are energy, the only question is consciousness.
Body = Bio-Shell. Consciousness = Self = Spirit (dwells external of Body.) Spiritual Self = Soul
Sobering thoughts:
The Bible tells us the Soul lives Forever. The big question is Destination.
And that All Spirits awaken from the grave after physical death. Arrival: In the Presence of God. (from there, one of two Eternal Destinations)
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I'm sure that this superficial world is just a facade . Humans are still trying to build their own existential version of pseudo theology.
Pretty much. It really is a "Matrix" of sorts.
Man has really been busy as of late trying to accomplish his "own existential version of pseudo theology."
He's up to creating his own "escape-hatch" away from facing his Creator and arriving instead to alternative destinations (Alt-Routes: Transhumanism. CERN. Gnostic "hidden"-occult esoteric keys to "eternal life")
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:49 am to Vacherie Saint
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But many atheists and agnostics try to do the same thing with religious people. Covid lockdown policy being a recent example. How about we leave each other tf alone?
Sure, but those people are a rarity here and joining in to shout someone down just isn't my style.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:50 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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You aren't any less correct.
Thanks
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:54 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Eh. I've never in my life had a Muslin, Jew, or Hindu try to convince me that my religious beliefs were wrong or even inferior to theirs. I frequently run into non-believers hell-bent on convincing me that religion in general is wrong. But that's my personal experience.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:11 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You contend that the COVID lockdowns were somehow the work of atheists?quote:I can get behind that. But many atheists and agnostics try to do the same thing with religious people. Covid lockdown policy being a recent example. How about we leave each other tf alone?
I don't care what other people believe. Just stop pretending that you have authority over anyone because "god said." It's utter nonsense and intellectually stale
Or are you just complaining that they applied to churches, like (almost) everyone else.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:20 am to Vacherie Saint
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I've never in my life had a Muslin, Jew, or Hindu try to convince me that my religious beliefs were wrong or even inferior to theirs. I frequently run into non-believers hell-bent on convincing me that religion in general is wrong. But that's my personal experience.
The world's largest evangelical group is the collective of militant atheism.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
I contend that church services, even private in-home worship, was banned and aggressively enforced (as were church funeral services), while mass leftist protests and the John Lewis funeral world tour was being regaled as too important to restrict.
For me, that was a pretty clear shot at the religious community by people who have authority over us.
I would say that today, its pretty hard to debate that the power dynamics havent shifted from a government that once forced religion into institutions into a government with a clear level of contempt for religious expression.
For me, that was a pretty clear shot at the religious community by people who have authority over us.
I would say that today, its pretty hard to debate that the power dynamics havent shifted from a government that once forced religion into institutions into a government with a clear level of contempt for religious expression.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
I’ve seen these types before on their death bed praying to Jesus
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:27 am to texag7
LOL. That dude will slap the priest who shows up to give him last rights.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:29 am to Vacherie Saint
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I've never in my life had a Muslin, Jew, or Hindu try to convince me that my religious beliefs were wrong or even inferior to theirs.
I have. Never to the level of Christians, but more than anyone ever tried to convince me of irreligion.
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I frequently run into non-believers hell-bent on convincing me that religion in general is wrong. But that's my personal experience.
I don't know why you'd expect anything different, as much as we're inundated with it here.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:30 am to texag7
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I’ve seen these types before on their death bed praying to Jesus
I spent the early 2000's in Helmand and Anbar.
You're barking up the wrong tree with that fear-mongering bullshite.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:31 am to Vacherie Saint
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LOL. That dude will slap the priest who shows up to give him last rights.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:34 am to AggieHank86
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Or are you just complaining that they applied to churches, like (almost) everyone else.
You know those closings weren’t equitable.
Big box Walmarts - You’re safe
Mom and pop - You’ll die, no way
Race protest gathering - All’s well
Church - You’ll die, no way
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:35 am to FooManChoo
Jesus wasn't a fan of 'religion' either.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:36 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I don't mind the back and forth. I'd love to hear a really smart non-Christian make his or her case. I'm curious like that. My milquetoast Catholicism signals that open-mindedness.
As long as there's no institutionalized religion/agnosticism or cancel culture bullshite one way or the other...
As long as there's no institutionalized religion/agnosticism or cancel culture bullshite one way or the other...
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