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Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:49 am to Nguyener
Literally every single country in the entire world has a mandate that forces companies to offer paid leave for their employees in some form. Every single one but the US.
this is simply just false. Are you telling me every single person who has ever gotten pregnant fully intended to get pregnant?
Fair enough and I don't know the details personally, but I've talked to numerous people about how difficult it is to adopt even for a married couple. I could imagine it's worse if you are single which shouldn't be the case. I don't know the solution I just know it's a problem.
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Pregnancy is not ever an accident. Ever. That's one of the biggest lies told today. And it's told alot.
this is simply just false. Are you telling me every single person who has ever gotten pregnant fully intended to get pregnant?
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You understand there is good reason you can't just walk into an adoption agency and walk out with a kid right? I do agree on this point that some reforms are needed but it's a very complex situation. What specifically did you have in mind?
Fair enough and I don't know the details personally, but I've talked to numerous people about how difficult it is to adopt even for a married couple. I could imagine it's worse if you are single which shouldn't be the case. I don't know the solution I just know it's a problem.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:50 am to Pectus
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Is a caterpillar a butterfly?
No. But that's not a good analogy. A child isn't an adult.
But, as an example, the Danaus plexippus Catipillar turns into the Danaus plexippus butterfly also known as the Monarch. Regardless of the stage egg, larve, Catipillar, chrysalis, butterfly it's all the same species. The Danaus plexippus.
Just as whether you are an embryo, fetus, infant, or adult you are a human
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:50 am to FooManChoo
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You don’t have to actively do anything at all to let a pregnancy take its course.
Spoken like someone who's never been pregnant. Don't have to do anything
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:54 am to NC_Tigah
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At 45days, this is NOT a human:
So, what did that grow into? A pig? A dog? A Tesla?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:54 am to mindbreaker
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Are you telling me every single person who has ever gotten pregnant fully intended to get pregnant?
Outside of rape? Yes. Unless you have absolutely no idea how babies are made.
If you have sex and a man cums inside of you then you may get pregnant. 99% of people know that. If you repeatedly engage in that behavior you can get pregnant. That's not an accident.
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Literally every single country in the entire world has a mandate that forces companies to offer paid leave for their employees in some form. Every single one but the US.
This is literally not true. And, again, the problems of government mandated and enforced paid dual maternity and paternity leave are humongous.
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I don't know the solution I just know it's a problem.
Certainly puts this quote in a different light, doesn't it?
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I think there are ways to reduce and prevent abortions beside broad strokes of just outright making it illegal. But no-one wants to discuss those real solutions
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:56 am to Vecchio Cane
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So, what did that grow into? A pig? A dog? A Tesla?
A cow. He's posting a picture of cow for some reason.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:56 am to LSUconvert
quote:I mean you really don't.
Don't have to do anything
Ever seen those I didn't know I was pregnant shows?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:57 am to LSUconvert
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how is a fetus with a heartbeat not a human being? By definition.
This is just dumb. "fetus" is just a stage if development.
A Human fetus is human. A sheep fetus is ovine.
This post was edited on 6/24/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:57 am to Nguyener
You absolutely destroyed Mindbreaker 
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:57 am to seawolf06
quote:I'm a parent to several children so I know what is typical for pregnancies. Those things are precautions to help get ahead of any issues and to have the most success in delivery as possible, both for the mother and the child. However if women did nothing at all except wait for delivery, the baby would likely develop normally and be born. That's my point. For most women you don't have to do anything. Most women do take actions to reduce risk of complications and to ensure a healthy delivery, though.
Well, that's not entirely true. There is a lot of work done during a pregnancy and you must also consider the care afterwards.
quote:You can say that about most things in life. The reason why the kidney donation is used is specifically because of the context of an operation to save a life. If people want to start a debate about whether or not we should kill living human beings to improve financial situations, we can do that, but it's a separate discussion.
You could argue that the kidney donation is less intrusive over the long term because you don't have to care for the recipient for the next two decades or so.
quote:IMO it's not a good analogy at all as it doesn't add clarity to any of the key points of the debate. It just confuses things more.
I agree it's not the best analogy.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:02 am to Lithium
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There will be young women having at home abortions becoming very sick and dying from these.
What are you basing this on?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:03 am to LSUconvert
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By definition.
What definition is that?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:03 am to Lithium
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I don’t feel you or me or anyone else should put our beliefs on someone else.
Then how can society function? If we have no common or shared beliefs and moral relativism is absolute the how can society function?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:07 am to SDVTiger
He wanted to have the discussion. I'm disappointed honestly. I thought he'd have some real concrete solutions. Instead he spouted a bunch of pandering taking points and the ended with "I don't know anything, but there's answers out there somewhere,"
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:09 am to Lithium
quote:We have outlawed willful homicide in terms of murder yet murder still happens. Do you think should we repeal those laws based on the same reasoning you are providing for abortion?
If you outlaw abortion people will still have abortions.
quote:While tragic, that's like arguing that we should outlaw home defense because an attacker may get hurt or killed when breaking into someone's house.
There will be young women having at home abortions becoming very sick and dying from these. There were entire wards in hospitals taking care of these patients.
If the unborn child is a living human being, we shouldn't be making it "safe" to kill it. We should be saying it's wrong to kill it and if you do so, you are responsible for the repercussions of it.
quote:So what? That's your opinion. My opinion is that God exists and that we have an obligation as people made in His image to obey His moral law.
And as far as bringing God into it I don’t feel you or me or anyone else should put our beliefs on someone else.
Why is your opinion more valid than mine in your worldview?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:09 am to Roger Klarvin
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I’d argue it’s pretty black and white for those are pro-life. If life truly begins at conception, and all human life is worth protecting, how conception occurred doesn’t matter at all. And since nobody would argue that forcing someone to have a baby is morally worse than murder, if you’re going to claim all abortion is murder the only logical position is that abortion is never ok under any circumstance.
The exception you are missing is a threat to the mother's life that either directly or indirectly will result in the death of the child.
Example: Mom is 4 months into pregnancy and needs chemotherapy to combat aggressive cancer. Baby will end up dead, but there really isn't anything that can be done. I don't think there are any pro-life people who would consider this murder.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:21 am to Nguyener
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A cow. He's posting a picture of cow for some reason.
How did he know it was a cow? Did he wait until it popped out and...surprise, here's your new calf?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:22 am to CptRusty
No matter how dogmatic you are in your personhood claim, life has a way of presenting grey-area exceptions. See Sister Margaret McBride.
There will never be consensus on the topic. It cannot be justly legislated.
There will never be consensus on the topic. It cannot be justly legislated.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:24 am to victoire sécurisé
quote:Driving down the road at night and you think you see something up ahead in the road and you're not sure if it's a human or an animal or a shadow. Do you slow down/stop, or do you just keep going, hoping it's just a shadow?
No matter how dogmatic you are in your personhood claim, life has a way of presenting grey-area exceptions. See Sister Margaret McBride.
There will never be consensus on the topic. It cannot be justly legislated.
We should err on the side of life if life has any meaning at all.
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