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re: I don’t understand how there can be so many liberal Catholics

Posted on 8/14/25 at 4:53 pm to
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 4:53 pm to
They are not real Catholics in the religious sense. They do pander Catholics. Anyone that supports abortion isn't truly religious. They are just heretics.
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Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 4:56 pm to
When the israelites walked around Jericho, they had faith that God would deliver them to victory.

They still had to walk around Jericho.

Faith without works is dead.
This post was edited on 8/14/25 at 4:57 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45438 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:55 am to
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When the israelites walked around Jericho, they had faith that God would deliver them to victory.

They still had to walk around Jericho.

Faith without works is dead.
I don’t deny that works are necessary. What I’m speaking to is the legal basis for our justification: are we made right before God based on anything we do, or are we made right by trusting in what Christ has done for us?

I believe the Scriptures are clear that our legal justification is based solely on believing in Jesus by faith. Paul gives the clearest account of this truth in several of his epistles, including Romans and Ephesians.

So if faith is all that is needed to be declared righteous before God, why, might you ask, did I say works are necessary? It’s because works are a necessary evidence or fruit that proves we are engrafted into the living vine of Christ.

A dead tree produces no fruit, and a dead Faith (intellectual only, tradition only, or verbal profession only) produces no fruit or good works. As I said previously, an apple tree is not an apple tree because of the apples growing in its branches, but the apples are an evidence that the tree is an apple tree and is alive. Likewise, our good works do not make us Christians but prove that we are united to Christ with a living and active faith, which is itself a gift from God.

I agree entirely that if someone says they have faith but show no evidence of it with good works, it is like a dead fruit tree that bears no fruit. That’s what James was saying: he will show you his faith by his works. His works prove he has a living and true faith, unlike the demons whose faith is merely intellectual and not transformative for good works.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
381 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 7:57 am to
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Faith without works is dead.


I think a better interpretation of this is faith without works is not profitable to others. Meaning it doesn't profit someone else if I have faith but I don't do any works to help them versus the idea that "no works" means I'm not really saved. All believers have some level of fruit. Some more than others, even if we don't see it. God knows who belongs to Him. So I think when we start judging someone's works to determine if they are saved or not then we are taking on a role that is not ours. That's where I stand on that.

The new testament is clear that we are saved solely by faith alone in Christ alone. So James can't be that one book that goes against the grain of the entire New Testament. It has to complement the rest of the NT.
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