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re: "I didn't need to do this"
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:31 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:31 pm to JuiceTerry
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If you take an action that you "didn't need to do", you weren't in an emergency That is an absolute
Luckily for us , the juicy definition of emergency has zero relevance. The President’s, however. Well, do you know it is within his discretion for enumerated issues (like border security) to determine what constitutes an emergency? I guess we will have to foregonyour absolute definition and go with what the law says. Sorry, pal.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:32 pm to Yak
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Was money going to be used for the wall on those bills or not?
Probably not.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:32 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Sessions was not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Nonetheless how'd the travel ban end up working out?
Like the original travel ban?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:33 pm to Greace
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Why is the Emergency just now starting? Where was this emergency 3 years ago when first elected?
Great questions. Not relevant, but great none the less.
Of course...there such a thin as an ongoing emergency....or something that rises to an emergency....fortunately for us we don’t have to argue that. Congress delegates the authority to determine what is an emergency to the president ( for enumerated issues...like border security). If he says it is. It is. Ain’t it great!
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:34 pm to BBONDS25
quote:frick you are frustrating
Probably not.
All that for a "eh, who knows"
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:34 pm to Yak
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:36 pm to HogFanfromHTown
quote:Being done.
Yeah and the most efficient way to counter act that would be to hire more customs at legal ports of entery.
Next is to force migration through those ports of entry. That is done with migration barriers.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:36 pm to BBONDS25
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Congress delegates the authority to determine what is an emergency to the president ( for enumerated issues...like border security).
Where is this? I glanced over the NEA the other day and did not see a definition for national emergency.
(Also, I’m smiling that I finally get to ask you to cite your statute for once
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:31 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:
Which is more of a "national emergency,
quote:
Flint, Michigan's drinking water
Flint Michigan's drinking water undoubtedly. That's also a crisis we could solve very easily.
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human trafficking, and drugs crossing our open border areas
There's not as much drugs and human trafficking coming through open area of border as the right wing media likes to make it out to be. The VAST majority come through legal ports of entry and better customs is the way more obvious, feasible, and effective solution. A politician would be out of their mind to disagree with more funding to hire more customs agents.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:31 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Trump thinks it will.
What is the reason, exactly, that you think it should go the courts?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:03 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Also, I’m smiling that I finally get to ask you to cite your statute for once
50 USCA 1631 in conjunction with 10 USCA 2808.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:09 pm to BBONDS25
Appreciate it.
^That's 2808 with my bolding. When I click on "military construction projects", this is the definition I'm given...
I'm struggling to see how a massive wall across the southern border fits into the definition of military construction as used there.
quote:
(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.
(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.
(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency.
^That's 2808 with my bolding. When I click on "military construction projects", this is the definition I'm given...
quote:
a)The term “military construction” as used in this chapter or any other provision of law includes any construction, development, conversion, or extension of any kind carried out with respect to a military installation, whether to satisfy temporary or permanent requirements, or any acquisition of land or construction of a defense access road (as described in section 210 of title 23). (b)A military construction project includes all military construction work, or any contribution authorized by this chapter, necessary to produce a complete and usable facility or a complete and usable improvement to an existing facility (or to produce such portion of a complete and usable facility or improvement as is specifically authorized by law). (c)In this chapter and chapter 173 of this title:
I'm struggling to see how a massive wall across the southern border fits into the definition of military construction as used there.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:15 pm to HogFanfromHTown
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Flint Michigan's drinking water undoubtedly. That's also a crisis we could solve very easily.
By definition Flint's drinking water shouldn't be a national emergency, and yet it's totally allowed to constitute one.
That's the point I'm trying to make here - Trump's not going to get shot down on the merits of the emergency, when there are much less being declared as such.
AND in what world is Flint's drinking water more of an emergency than illegal immigration and the drug trade, no matter the context?!?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:36 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Wait, what?
You saw his picture posted yesterday, right? JT is my boy...but I’m not sure he is the type that “grabs a beer”.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:58 pm to RazorBroncs
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AND in what world is Flint's drinking water more of an emergency than illegal immigration and the drug trade, no matter the context?!? ?
The world where people don't have clean drinking water in the greatest country in that world
Because the illegal drug trade and illegal immigration aren't things you can solve by declaring them a national emergency. Those are things that aren't going away anytime soon no matter what.
If you want to eliminate the illegal drug trade as much as possible legalize all drugs and let the free market play the course. The cartels will die out.
If you want to stop illegal immigration as much as possible go to the source. Start giving out mandatory 5 year minimums for hiring an illegal immigrant and I gaurantee people will be rudhing back to Mexico cause they can't find work. Stop punishing the poor. Start punishing the people who are exploiting them.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 4:02 pm
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