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re: Hypothetical: If Trump Imposed A Permanent Ban On Immigration From Muslim Nations, Would..

Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:21 pm to
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It can't enact policy intended to discriminate against a religion, whether that's in the form of a state or group of individuals.

Country X is an enthusiastic hater of the US. It's government/people vow to bring the US to its knees, and by "people" let's say we're talking about 80% of the population. Immigrants from Country X, legal and illegal, have perpetrated 20 mass casualty attacks of some sort in the US over the last ten years.

The US cannot ban immigration from Country X if Country X is monotheistic?
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Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:24 pm to
While I would support the action, if we in America felt so strongly about this, then it should go through the amendment process. Tough sledding but the route is always available.

If people would stop focusing on Presidential actions rather than Congressional lack of action...maybe we could get somewhere.

Congress has always been the damn problem. Purely within our control to change that.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
46663 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:25 pm to
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OK you've failed the IQ test




Good heavens, dude. You bring up the matter of "IQ" more than everybody else on this board combined. Seriously, just how INSECURE are you?

Dude, I can and do run circles around you on a regular basis. Most of your responses consist of stupid memes, emojis, "Wut?" etc. That's why you are considered to be nothing but an agenda-driven little joke on this board.

The biggest difference between you and many of the rest of us? We aren't so insecure that we feel the need to talk about how "intelligent" we are in every 3rd post.

Seek help, you pathetic loser.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21963 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:27 pm to
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Trumps a boomer...he's not going to change. What he doesn't see is that most folks are like 70%+ in agreement with him but dislike the 20-30% of stuff enough to pull support.

I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but aren't you missing half the equation here?

If the people like 70% of Trump and dislike 30% of Trump and are tired of his act, but they like 25% of Dem policies and dislike 75% of them - are Dems cleaning up in '26 and '28?
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:28 pm to
Oh my this is definitely a “post”
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
15272 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:28 pm to
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Congress has always been the damn problem. Purely within our control to change that.


Congress critters are not sensitive to the desires of their constituents. Us little people aren’t lobbyists or NGOs or whatever else tickles their voting fancy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

Country X is an enthusiastic hater of the US. It's government/people vow to bring the US to its knees, and by "people" let's say we're talking about 80% of the population. Immigrants from Country X, legal and illegal, have perpetrated 20 mass casualty attacks of some sort in the US over the last ten years.

The US cannot ban immigration from Country X if Country X is monotheistic?


You're changing the hypothetical posed in OP
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:30 pm to
Yeah that was impressive.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
46663 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:30 pm to
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Idiots like SFP have watched the decline and virtual fall of Europe over the past 20 years, but apparently they are either blind to it or simply don't care.


?


Right on cue. Another emoji response.

Okay, I'm out of my own thread. I've interacted with this narcissistic noncompoop enough over the past 2 days.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2514 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:33 pm to
Because the elections are not wide swings. 10% of the GOP stays home they lose big
Posted by Slick Wandoo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:34 pm to
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OK you've failed the IQ test

No, you are an idiot.

I am still waiting on you to quote the part of the Constitution where it guarantees rights to foreigners wanting to come here.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:34 pm to
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Right on cue. Another emoji response.


You got the appropriate level of response based on the quality of your post
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21963 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:34 pm to
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You're changing the hypothetical posed in OP

I'm asking a question. Care to answer?
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2514 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:35 pm to
What you are not seeing is that the unconstitutionality would not based on the non-citizen it would be applied to the US government that would be conducting a religious test with an actual Muslim ban. That it was directed at non-citizens would be moot. The US government would be the one being held to the standards of the US constitution.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21963 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:36 pm to
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Because the elections are not wide swings. 10% of the GOP stays home they lose big

So you believe the candidate/party with overwhelming relative support will lose elections? Again, not saying you're wrong. Was just curious about what you were suggesting.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468043 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:38 pm to
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No, you are an idiot.

Nothing you're saying is correct.

I even posted the language of the 1A for you, since you clearly don't understand what's being discussed, and you doubled down on being wrong.

quote:

I am still waiting on you to quote the part of the Constitution where it guarantees rights to foreigners wanting to come here.


This conversation is beyond you.

The Constitution doesn't "give" people rights. It is written to restrict the government with respect to certain rights. The Constitutional text differs between use of "person" and "citizen"/"the people". When it uses "person" this applies to anyone subject to the jurisdiction of the US. When it uses "citizen" or "the people" this references only citizens.

For example, the 2nd Amendment is written in terms of "the people" so it's not universal in application. This is much more rare than the general applicability.

Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2514 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:39 pm to
Yes...I'm suggesting that the party that has majority support, I've seen nothing that indicates overwhelming, would lose in elections that are going to swing between 5 and 10% for the winner.

We have a FPTP system. If 5% of the GOP stays home enough losses would occur in a national election to swing it against them even if on the issues individually they were popular.

This is why turnout is so big a deal in battleground states.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21963 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

What you are not seeing is that the unconstitutionality would not based on the non-citizen it would be applied to the US government that would be conducting a religious test with an actual Muslim ban.

I see that. I'm asking a question about how far it goes.

If Country X in my hypothetical was not monotheist, would the US gov't be able to ban citizens from that country?
Posted by Slick Wandoo
Member since Dec 2025
104 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:41 pm to
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This conversation is beyond you.

The Constitution doesn't "give" people rights. It is written to restrict the government with respect to certain rights. The Constitutional text differs between use of "person" and "citizen"/"the people". When it uses "person" this applies to anyone subject to the jurisdiction of the US. When it uses "citizen" or "the people" this references only citizens.

Ask those people on the blown to bits drug boats about those constitutional restrictions, you low IQ moron.

Ask Obama about Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki and constituitional restrictions.

Restrictions to protect Americans...NOT foreigners.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2514 posts
Posted on 1/2/26 at 6:43 pm to
Not based on religion alone. The onus would be on the government to find a way to make the ban about something like safety, as in the government of X country was so bad we could not be sure that those coming were actually from that country or that it was not a security threat to let them in.

Much better to focus on issues like security than religion. Then you could ban immigration from monotheistic countries, I don't know of any in actual existence, due to the inherent threat that anyone from that country would pose, be they of whatever religion.
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