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re: Hypothetical 2: Should a known ISIS sympathizer, who is a US Citizen, be able to buy a gun
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:51 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:51 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Then I think it is clear. It is foolish to limit the rights of an entire populace because of some remote risk.
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:53 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The Do Not Fly list is a bureaucratic mess run by bureaucrats. They should not have the power to overrule 2nd amendment rights.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:54 pm to Mulat
quote:
If you are not willing to Pledge Allegiance to our Flag and our Country,if you will not defend our Constitution, then absolutely NO
lol
"If you don't worship our government, you should NOT have a gun to protect yourself from our government's tyranny!"
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:55 pm to BBONDS25
I understand and respect that. No matter what, if you’re a US Citizen you’re good to go for the 2nd Amendment. That’s cool and I respect it. Disagree but respect.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:56 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
The question is what is the criteria for no fly? Your rights have already been restricted. Therefore, you have been judged a danger. It logical to extrapolate that to the 2nd and I would have no problem theoretically
The question is who and what determines you are a danger. The government? What is the process and what is the criteria?
The question is who and what determines you are a danger. The government? What is the process and what is the criteria?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:56 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:56 pm to LetsgoGamecocks
The Do Not Fly list effectiveness is really another subject for another thread. I get the point but don’t want to derail this thread as is.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:57 pm to BBONDS25
By the way, you people would be shocked I’m all MAGA and a trump voter/supporter.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:57 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
You disagree with US Citizens exercising constitutional rights?
Can’t say I am surprised.
Can’t say I am surprised.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:59 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
I know you keep trying to troll me, and maybe you haven’t noticed, but up until this posts I’m just ignoring your ad hominems. You can keep trying if it makes you feel good but I probably won’t respond again.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 6:59 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Will you put one of my “Gun Free Zone” yard signs out on your lawn?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:00 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
No he is putting forth a legitimate question as to under what circumstance should a US citizen be denied that right.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:02 pm to Dawgfanman
I agree those are dumb. I do not think the Do Not Fly list is dumb. That’s cool that you consider them equals though.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:07 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The do not fly list is a non issue in this scenario. You can be put on without your knowledge, without due process, and it’s nearly impossible to argue your case.
ISIS sympathizers are entitled to their opinion. So we should strip their rights simply because of what they believe?
ISIS sympathizers are entitled to their opinion. So we should strip their rights simply because of what they believe?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I agree those are dumb. I do not think the Do Not Fly list is dumb. That’s cool that you consider them equals though
I think taking away a persons priveledge to fly is less serious than taking away a persons right to self defense. For that reason different processes should be required.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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You guys aren’t answering this simple yes/no.
Well. You haven't defined sympathizer
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:13 pm to 14&Counting
Is the free movement via an airplane a constitutionally protected right? I’m not aware of that. It’s the same as driving. A privilege, not a right.
We aren’t talking about convictions after you’ve had the opportunity to prove your innocence that place you there. The process as I understand it is you’ve shown a pattern of support or sympathy for known enemies of the US government. Now to what level that is, I don’t know. I don’t think some kid in El Paso posting about how he wants to be a Taliban fighter will be one or even take steps to become one. If he does, it is at that point he is placed there. I would think.
That doesn’t mean we should violate their constitutional rights based on accusations.
We aren’t talking about convictions after you’ve had the opportunity to prove your innocence that place you there. The process as I understand it is you’ve shown a pattern of support or sympathy for known enemies of the US government. Now to what level that is, I don’t know. I don’t think some kid in El Paso posting about how he wants to be a Taliban fighter will be one or even take steps to become one. If he does, it is at that point he is placed there. I would think.
That doesn’t mean we should violate their constitutional rights based on accusations.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:20 pm to ShortyRob
Scroll down past the OP.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:21 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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That doesn’t mean we should violate their constitutional rights based on accusations.
Im with you until the last word. Does it matter if we change accusations to gathered intelligence?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 7:27 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
You have freedom of travel association etc. why should that be restricted? On the basis of the governments judgement that you might be a threat
We know the 2nd is a right......try and keep up
We know the 2nd is a right......try and keep up
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