re: Huge SCOTUS Case Today About Gerrymandering!

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The argument is it infringes on people's constitutional right to vote

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What?

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If the lines are drawn such that your vote wins a significant majority of the actual vote but loses by significant majority in reality due to the way the district map is drawn, does your vote really count?

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What?

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I'm not enforcing any side, but that's the question both sides are going to have to answer.

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Not really.

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The argument is it infringes on people's constitutional right to vote. If the lines are drawn such that your vote wins a significant majority of the actual vote but loses by significant majority in reality due to the way the district map is drawn, does your vote really count? Does this violate your right to vote. I'm not enforcing any side, but that's the question both sides are going to have to answer.

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Yep. Our electoral system, Single-Member District or First Past the Post is heavily criticized as being the worst types of electoral systems. Though it varies many other advanced democracies use Proportional Representation or at least a mixed system.

ETA: SMD/FPTP systems also inevitably leads to two-party dominance.

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Is it because you are antisemitic or a misogynist?

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why not being anti-socialist and/or anti-authoritarian?

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i don't see how you divide up individual motivations of hundreds of state lawmakers in order to pass some judicial smell test

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There's only one motivation, stay in power. With that said, I agree it does stray into judicial activism. Furthermore, where do you draw the unconstitutional line? This is why there was such an intense debate last time, with four justices stating that the court should never even take gerrymandering cases. The efficiency gap method does seem to be one of the best ways to determine partisan gerrymandering. But, it isn't perfect, and still, the question remains, exactly how gerrymandered is too gerrymandered?

most other western-democratic countries have a system ruled primarily by a leviathan federal government and they have no real concept of federalism with smaller units having significant power. even the countries that do have sub-federal divisions are much different b/c they (1) have larger subdivisions that are fewer in number and (2) don't deal with the vast diversity that we have

demographic concerns of small units of area just simply aren't a concern to pretty much all other developed-Western states

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Furthermore, where do you draw the unconstitutional line?

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they'll probably create some stupid pronged test or something

they also likely won't address the root cause of gerrymandering: the voting rights act. even if you're discussing states that don't fall under it, the VRA created gerrymandering that has led to the examples and data used to develop gerrymandering science today

the VRA is absolutely great for minorities in specific districts spread across the US but is terrible for DEMs in any area around those districts.

also the DEM strategy of urban identification hurts them without any intentional GM. they waste tons of votes there, b/c they DOMINATE their urban districts and large population centers vote overwhelmingly for DEM candidates. this creates a distortion in the national perception of total votes (which don't matter)

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Truth is, most Americans vote both Democrat and Republican at some point in their life.

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as you go down, i imagine partisanship decreases

out here, only certain demos truly care about party identification or possibly in certain races

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It would be a very dangerous precedent to hold that the whole system has to get blown up because some Democrats live in a Republican district,

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i mean i don't know how you fix it

look at how messy the VRA cases get, with lawsuits and judicial injunctions made by politically-motivated judges and all that. are we going to set up that system for EVERYONE? we're going to allow the local federal district court to act as the body who draws the lines? c'mon

Congressional districts should be completely randomly generated, with no considerations as to demographics. Everything will work itself out in the wash, if you do that.

I don't think this should be determined by the Supreme Court, though.

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quote: Ruth Bader Ginsburg I hate that fricking bitch.
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Is it because you are antisemitic or a misogynist?

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It's fricking sad when you immediately jump to stupid shite like "anti-Semitic and misogynic" and totally disregard anything else.

Shows how dumbed down the population has become