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re: How Trump's National Security let him down; Soleimani related
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:49 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:49 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:CGrand did not question Bolton’s “qualifications,” but rather his suitability for the Trump administration.
You may not like his (Bolton’s) positions, but he is EASILY one of the most highly qualified people in the US.
quote:The most “qualified” candidate on the planet might STILL not be well-suited to a particular administration.
many would question the suitability of most of the people he has chosen
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:49 am to Wtodd
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Soleimani shouldn't have been the story; the story should have been Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis bc it was his Popular Mobilization Unit (PMU) forces that attacked our embassy in Iraq. We should have said that we targeted Muhandis and didn't know Soleimani was with him since Soleimani was forbidden to travel outside of Iran and thus bc he violated the UN mandate he became collateral damage.
Why?
We did it for a purpose. We wanted it to be clear so as to accomplish an end. We didn't simply want to kill Soleimani. We were sending a message to Iran that we are holding them responsible for these other groups they are coordinating with.
And, even if you ignore that, I'd just assume that we tell the truth.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:55 am to moneyg
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Why?
Bc of what I stated
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We did it for a purpose
Of course we did
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We wanted it to be clear so as to accomplish an end
And targeting Muhandis accomplishes the same goal
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We were sending a message to Iran that we are holding them responsible for these other groups they are coordinating with.
Of course and targeting Muhandis does that
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I'd just assume that we tell the truth
Sorry but
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:14 am to Manzielathon
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Politics in the Middle East requires far more subtlety and nuance than retaliating against every single mortar attack. Which is the primary reason we should never have gone in the first place.
You and I may want to leave Iraq, but unfortunately as a whole the United States Government and Military does not.
I really don’t feel like Iran’s influence is understated or underreported. If anything I feel like our own influence is underestimated.
This idea that because both governments are Shia that they get along and agree all the time so we should just call it quits isn’t true. There are considerable religious, political, and ethnic differences between Iraqi and Iranian Shias. There’s essentially a never ending clerical power struggle between Qom / Tehran and Najaf / Baghdad.
Now that the USA is energy independent, please explain how any of these considerations are vital to the national security of the USA and vital to the safety of the US electorate? I doubt that there is a strong explanation.
The truth is that the USA is now the Global Police and Occupation Force and does the bidding of Globalist Interests. Our military folks are being shot up, killed and maimed NOT for hearth and home, but . . . for what? You tell me.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:19 am to Champagne
I wasn’t implying we should be there or that I support being there. I was saying that using the argument that Iran has leverage and influence in Iraq (via their Shia identity) isn’t a good argument for why we should leave.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:24 am to Wtodd
If the WH said Soleimani was just collateral damage, then the narrative would have been that Trump and his team don't know what they're doing, because they should have known he would be there.
The guy is dead and people in that region are much safer because of it. How this became such a damned circus is disgraceful. Everyone should be applauding the death of that animal.
The guy is dead and people in that region are much safer because of it. How this became such a damned circus is disgraceful. Everyone should be applauding the death of that animal.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:25 am to Manzielathon
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I was saying that using the argument that Iran has leverage and influence in Iraq (via their Shia identity) isn’t a good argument for why we should leave.
And I wasn't implying that either so if there was a misunderstanding this should clear it up.
I want our guys out of the ME like everyone else here.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:56 am to Wtodd
So you think taking the Trump was incompetent approach and killed a high ranking Iranian because they didn’t know was going to get less play in the media than us killing a person with U.S. soldiers blood on his hands?
That’s what you’re trying to convince us of?
That’s what you’re trying to convince us of?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:07 am to Mizzoufan26
With the Dems already trying to strip some powers from Trump regarding Military decisions, it seems like the story here would have been even bigger if they could push the argument he is killing high profile Iranians by accident.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:12 am to Wtodd
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Had the story been framed this way, it would have been a 1 day deal.
Are you really this dumb? We hit Soleimani to send a direct message.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:31 am to AggieHank86
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You were talking to “his people.” Are you surprised that they think highly of the guy who brought them into the White House?
Yes because not all who I know at 1400 do. I have friends who call crying (yes they are female) because of how "mean" Trump is to them. These ladies have been in politics for 20 years so they aren't really thinned skinned.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:47 am to Mizzoufan26
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So you think taking the Trump was incompetent approach
Huh? WTF are you babbling about?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:13 pm to Wtodd
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Huh? WTF are you babbling about?
You're saying they should make a statement that they bombed a convoy, without knowing the entirety of who the frick was in it. The news bite on every news channel would be that Trump was Incompetent and may lead us to war for making a rash decision.
It's not fricking hard to understand dipshit
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:14 pm to Manzielathon
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I wasn’t implying we should be there or that I support being there. I was saying that using the argument that Iran has leverage and influence in Iraq (via their Shia identity) isn’t a good argument for why we should leave.
If I understand history correctly, the USA did this, and it must have been intentional. The USA itself gave power over Iraq to Iran. The USA is the reason why Iran will control Iraq, if it does not already control Iraq.
USA grand strategy from beginning in 2003 was to de-Baath Iraq completely and suppress Sunni/Baath participation in the new Govt of Iraq. This ceded control of Iraq to the Shia.
As such, now that Iran has sufficient influence in Iraq, the Iraq govt now wants the USA out. Trump says we won't leave Iraq just now. I have no idea why. Iran's control over Iraq is certain, and the USA made this happen.
Why would the USA take affirmative action to hand over Iraq to terrorist nation Iran, and then REFUSE to leave Iraq as Iran assumes control over Iraq? Did the USA intentionally create a Forever War just to keep our military folks at war forever?
It makes no sense.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:16 pm to Wtodd
To claim that we accidentally killed Soleimani?
That would just make us look incompetent.
That would just make us look incompetent.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:18 pm to Mizzoufan26
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You're saying they should make a statement that they bombed a convoy, without knowing the entirety of who the frick was in it.
You obviously don't understand how collateral damage works
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The news bite on every news channel would be that Trump was Incompetent and may lead us to war for making a rash decision.
No matter what Trump does the media bashes him and makes shite up
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It's not fricking hard to understand dipshit
Apparently it is
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