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re: How much would single payer cost?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:36 am to alphaandomega
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:36 am to alphaandomega
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I would disagree with this. I dont think healthcare will make people healthier. Their poor health (for the VAST majority of Americans) is directly tied to poor food choices and lack of exercise. The large numbers of people in America with obesity are not fat because they cannot afford to go to a doctor. Its because they eat McDonalds, cokes, and other crap foods, all while sitting on their arse watching tv.
This, coupled with demographics and population numbers, is why "European Style" healthcare will never, EVER work in this country.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:38 am to TitleistProV1X
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How much would single payer cost
The soul of the nation, give or take.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:40 am to Obtuse1
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I do get that it is ideological and thus political and partisan but again I think it would be a net positive in the long run for our country.
Would you be OK with those receiving free coverage being subjected to special rules and specific doctors and hospitals?
These are the people who are typically going to be the non-compliant and those that do harm to themselves because of their lack of personal responsibility.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:52 am to alphaandomega
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I would disagree with this. I dont think healthcare will make people healthier. Their poor health (for the VAST majority of Americans) is directly tied to poor food choices and lack of exercise. The large numbers of people in America with obesity are not fat because they cannot afford to go to a doctor. Its because they eat McDonalds, cokes, and other crap foods, all while sitting on their arse watching tv.
I agree 100% that lifestyle choices along with genetic (for some) has the largest negative impact on health. However, proper preventative health care and early diagnosis/intervention also plays a significant part in the overall health of the population. I certainly could have made this caveat but I had already typed a TL:DR wall of words as it was.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:52 am to Obtuse1
quote:No.
70.4 million on Medicaid
The 70 million refers to a wide swath of partial coverage.
Here are the numbers by insurance category:
Employer 49%
Medicaid 19%
Medicare 14%
Other Public 2%
Uninsured 9%
Non-Group 7%
The 19% Medicaid number includes anyone on a medicaid plan. i.e., the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and those who have both Medicaid and another type of coverage, such as dual eligibles who are also covered by Medicare.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:56 am to NC_Tigah
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As evidenced by Medicaid, and the VA.
...when you take patient acuity into account, yes.
Please stop trying to mislead the laypeople on here.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:57 am to BamaAtl
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Please stop trying to mislead the laypeople on here.
If you would only take your own advice.
Answer the OP's question. How much will single payer cost?
Publish that number openly. Let the people decide if they want to foot that bill so you can have your feelings elevated. Be honest for once. Don't lie about it saving money or the doctors and plans will be the same. Try honesty. Just once.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:58 am to Centinel
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Go down to the local VA waiting room and spout that bullshite
I don't have to, someone already did it for me
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In 2013, the overall ACSI satisfaction index for VA was 84 for inpatient care and 82 for outpatient care, which compares favorably with the U.S. hospital industry (scores of 80 and 83, respectively). Since 2004, the ACSI survey has consistently shown that Veterans give VA hospitals and clinics a higher customer satisfaction score, on average, than patients give private sector hospitals.
It's not my fault you live in a fantasy land fed to you by liars.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:59 am to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
Not really relevant to you lying about how much single payer would cost and basing that lie on numbers that you know to be false.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:59 am to NC_Tigah
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No.
The 70 million refers to a wide swath of partial coverage...
BTW please site if you can. edit you posted the link after I was already typing. Thx
So using your definition vs mine we are at 33% on Medicare and Medicaid. Different but nothing like an order of magnitude.
You also never answered why you did not take out the current premiums paid when discussing the overall net change.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:01 am to BamaAtl
A link from va.gov about how awesome the VA is?
ETA: Wait wait wait...let me link a study about how awesome Donald Trump is from donaldjtrump.com!
ETA: Wait wait wait...let me link a study about how awesome Donald Trump is from donaldjtrump.com!
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:01 am to BamaAtl
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...when you take patient acuity into account, yes.
I'm glad that's the ground you are choosing to stand.
Very fitting.
All that acuity must account for horrendous wait times, administrators covering up lack of institutional response, unattended patients passed out on the floor of waiting rooms, etc.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:02 am to roadGator
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How much will single payer cost?
Depends on the type of single payer. In aggregate, not much more (if not less) than we're currently paying for health care.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:03 am to NC_Tigah
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I'm glad that's the ground you are choosing to stand.
How else would you compare a known sicker and older population to one that is younger and healthier, without it being a skewed comparison?
I mean, you know that, right? You're aware of what we're discussing? Because often times you leave me wondering...
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:05 am to BamaAtl
At least you admit that you don't know.
Progress for a progressive is rare.
Progress for a progressive is rare.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:08 am to roadGator
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At least you admit that you don't know.
I said it depends. If there's a specific plan that the CBO has scored, I would gladly give you that number. But you guys are interchanging multiple plans at will depending on what you think makes your argument stronger, so there's no way to say how much it would cost in total when we're talking about dozens of differing plans.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:09 am to BamaAtl
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so there's no way to say how much it would cost in total
Bingo.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:18 am to BamaAtl
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It's not my fault you live in a fantasy land fed to you by liars.
This is really your comment after posting a link to the VA site stating how "wonderful" the VA is?
Remember that time when you didn't really know anything about the VA? Yeah, me too.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:19 am to TitleistProV1X
Everyone knows that single payer will be bad for everyone who works. Democrats know that it's not going to be passed because they don't have enough votes now . If they really believed it would work then they would want this new health care bill by Graham/Cassidy to passed so they could have single payer in the states they run and show us how good it is .
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