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re: How long until we send troops back into Iraq?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:This in a nutshell is the issue, it's easy to say what you said. I am not totally disagreeing with you however when it comes time to toss you name on the line the mixture of deployment forces versus risk factor drive you to a logical balance of projection versus protection.
And I have strong disagreements with the way we roll. We are far too heavy and logistically intensive and it's why we have so much trouble with insurgencies. We focus far too much on force protection and not enough on force projection. Smaller units, lighter weapons, living amongst the population. Putting a brigade sized or larger force in Iraq to face ISIS would be counter productive. ISIS would simply disband their conventional combat units and fight a guerrilla war.
put it this way let's say you want to do it with a small footprint, fair enough as the HMFIC you make that decision, then you wake up and see parents on MSNBC in tears because their son died because the logistic train you decided to cut corners on left out the surgical units required to keep him alive when he gets dinged.
President on down gets hung out on this logical thought.
Therefore you go Colin Powell deep on the numbers and capabilities.
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:54 pm to Jbird
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This in a nutshell is the issue, it's easy to say what you said. I am not totally disagreeing with you however when it comes time to toss you name on the line the mixture of deployment forces versus risk factor drive you to a logical balance of projection versus protection. put it this way let's say you want to do it with a small footprint, fair enough as the HMFIC you make that decision, then you wake up and see parents on MSNBC in tears because their son died because the logistic train you decided to cut corners on left out the surgical units required to keep him alive when he gets dinged. President on down gets hung out on this logical thought. Therefore you go Colin Powell deep on the numbers and capabilities.
Great post all around. All AF jokes aside.
Y'all are still soft, though.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 10:57 pm to Navytiger74
quote:What's "soft" is having your name stenciled on your arse of your dungarees.
Y'all are still soft, though.
You are all right Seaman.This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:04 pm to Jbird
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What's "soft" is having your name stenciled on your arse of your dungarees.
Thing is, I've never had that. I've never been enlisted, and never been a middie (though that could hurt at some point). I will take up for my Mustangs and fellow Sailors, though. We value tradition. In the days of naval combat at sea, you needed your name stenciled on as much of your shite as possible--and in as many places. Things came without warning.
Chairforce, though. I'd think it wouldn't be hard to remember to call my A1C and CO "Trav and Bob", respectively, when we were placed on 42hr alert.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:08 pm to Navytiger74
quote:My brother was a Seabee two tours in Vietnam, second tour with the brown water Navy. I understand my friend.
We value tradition. In the days of naval combat at sea, you needed your name stenciled on as much of your shite as possible--and in as many places.
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Chairforce, though. I'd think it wouldn't be hard to remember whether to call my A1C and General Trav and Bob when we were placed on 42hr alert.
Alert isn't all it's cracked up to be. Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:17 pm to Navytiger74
Navy I have a quick story for you, we were doing s Cope Thunder in Alaska a number of years ago, the EA6B maintenance guys were in the Qs near us, so we were drinking beer and burning some steaks and invite these guys over. Having a grand old time bullshitting, good food easy fun ribbing. Anyway I am talking to this Navy Bubba and he has this odd burn mark on his temple about the sixe of a nickel maybe a quarter. Anyway he hikes off to take a leak and I ask his buddy what's the story with the funky burn. He tells me that they have to wand off the jamming pods after flight so you don't get bit by the static buildup. Apparently he thought the jet was wanded and it wasn't. The guy says the coolest blue flame of electricity jumped out and zapped his buddy. I guess he dropped like a rock and pissed himself, he said he has some short term memory loss. All the other Navy guys were laughing when he came strolling back, he says, let me guess you frickers were talking about my new tattoo.
Not sure how true it was but we had a good few weeks hanging with those Navy enlisted Bubbas.
Not sure how true it was but we had a good few weeks hanging with those Navy enlisted Bubbas.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:45 am to Jbird
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Navy I have a quick story for you, we were doing s Cope Thunder in Alaska a number of years ago, the EA6B maintenance guys were in the Qs near us, so we were drinking beer and burning some steaks and invite these guys over. Having a grand old time bullshitting, good food easy fun ribbing. Anyway I am talking to this Navy Bubba and he has this odd burn mark on his temple about the sixe of a nickel maybe a quarter. Anyway he hikes off to take a leak and I ask his buddy what's the story with the funky burn. He tells me that they have to wand off the jamming pods after flight so you don't get bit by the static buildup. Apparently he thought the jet was wanded and it wasn't. The guy says the coolest blue flame of electricity jumped out and zapped his buddy. I guess he dropped like a rock and pissed himself, he said he has some short term memory loss. All the other Navy guys were laughing when he came strolling back, he says, let me guess you frickers were talking about my new tattoo. Not sure how true it was but we had a good few weeks hanging with those Navy enlisted Bubbas.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:25 am to Jbird
This was a really good thread until
Came along.
I enjoy reading y'all's posts, even though I don't know wtf y'all are talking about most of the time. There are some very informed guys here and I respect the hell out of all of you...even Geauxxx.
I'd. I come from a Navy family, so I know how all of you like to give each other hell.
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LSUTigers1986
Came along.
I enjoy reading y'all's posts, even though I don't know wtf y'all are talking about most of the time. There are some very informed guys here and I respect the hell out of all of you...even Geauxxx.
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What's "soft" is having your name stenciled on your arse of your dungarees.
I
'd. I come from a Navy family, so I know how all of you like to give each other hell. 
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:26 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Who do you think is calling in all that air support for the Kurds?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:30 am to deltaland
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I'm talking about ground troops and special forces. They're already seeing the narrative that the airstrikes are ineffective.
Who do you think is calling in the airstrikes
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:32 am to LSUTigers1986
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Soo what about Libya?
What about it
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:33 am to Navytiger74
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Y'all are still soft, though.
coming from the navy thats rich
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:16 am to Jbird
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Google is your friend
Dang bro!
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:17 am to StraightCashHomey21
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StraightCashHomey21, selling it.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:19 am to Wolfhound45
You know where I am coming from, movement of assets is a sensitive subject. Good morning Wolf.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:21 am to Jbird
quote:
put it this way let's say you want to do it with a small footprint, fair enough as the HMFIC you make that decision, then you wake up and see parents on MSNBC in tears because their son died because the logistic train you decided to cut corners on left out the surgical units required to keep him alive when he gets dinged.
It's not about having less troops. If anything what I'm suggesting would require more troops. It's how those troops fight that is the problem. A Stryker Brigade that lives on a FOB with a massive footprint is ineffective and unsustainable in the long term. Light infantry/SF units with all the air support we can muster living and fighting amongst and with the locals. Cut down on massive logistical trains that are easy and convenient targets. They only lead to more casualties in the long run anyway.
I assume most of you have read The Village. If not, I suggest you all do so.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:23 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:I understand what you are saying.
It's not about having less troops. If anything what I'm suggesting would require more troops. It's how those troops fight that is the problem. A Stryker Brigade that lives on a FOB with a massive footprint is ineffective and unsustainable in the long term. Light infantry/SF units with all the air support we can muster living and fighting amongst and with the locals. Cut down on massive logistical trains that are easy and convenient targets. They only lead to more casualties in the long run anyway.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:26 am to Jbird
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You know where I am coming from...
Just busting your chops bro.
Not sure what the makeup of a wing is (really don't get USAF structure like I should - no joint assignments does hurt profssional development). But we both know how this thing is going to go down. Hate to say it, but it is déjà vu all over again.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:29 am to Wolfhound45
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But we both know how this thing is going to go down. Hate to say it, but it is déjà vu all over again.
See my thread on more troops to Iraq. We're setting the stage already.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:31 am to Wolfhound45
The greatest military mind ever just floated a trial balloon concerning some kind of "international" rescue mission to Iraq.
We are leaderless plain and simple.
AF Wings are pretty straight forward. Say one F-16 Wing has three Squadrons of 18-24 aircraft so roughly 72 jets. Its a stand alone unit with it's on Intel, supply, medical, Securt Forces etc. You can pull the trigger and forward deploy a Wing in a bare base scenario and the majority of the assets and troops will come from within the Wing.
We are leaderless plain and simple.
AF Wings are pretty straight forward. Say one F-16 Wing has three Squadrons of 18-24 aircraft so roughly 72 jets. Its a stand alone unit with it's on Intel, supply, medical, Securt Forces etc. You can pull the trigger and forward deploy a Wing in a bare base scenario and the majority of the assets and troops will come from within the Wing.
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