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re: How is wiping out 30 acres of nature to install solar better for the environment?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 3:09 pm to weagle99
Posted on 9/4/19 at 3:09 pm to weagle99
Filled in wetlands in South Georgia. Using up the land is a big deal and solar is the worst.
Solar is about .25 MW per acre. I'm guessing gas turbine is about 10+ MW per acre.
I wish somebody would figure the environmental impact of the amount of land needed per acre solar versus emissions of a gas turbine.
Solar is about .25 MW per acre. I'm guessing gas turbine is about 10+ MW per acre.
I wish somebody would figure the environmental impact of the amount of land needed per acre solar versus emissions of a gas turbine.
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 3:49 pm to weagle99
Better questions are where do all the batteries go in 5-7 years from all the battery banks being installed with them, and where do the solar cells go in 25 years at the end of their usable life span? Not to mention the mining and energy that is needed to make them. Nobody accounts for any of this in renewables.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:16 pm to ithad2bme
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Nobody accounts for any of this in renewables.
Exactly.
The whole thing is more so we can ‘feel’ like we are doing something. Like the ethanol scam.
Of course, also by redistributing tax money.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:23 pm to weagle99
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The whole thing is more so we can ‘feel’ like we are doing something. Like the ethanol scam.
And to think all of those trees are CO2 sinks removing carbon dioxide from the air.
What happens to those solar cells when a hail storm or hurricane hits? Puerto Rico used to have some solar facilities and some wind turbines.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:32 pm to AggieHank86
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Most that I have seen seem to be constructed on tracts that are already barren.
What about the micro environment and the creatures that live there? What has to be done to transfer that weak and unreliable electricity to expanses that need that energy? Will it be stored in heavily polluting and short lived battery systems, etc?
"Environmentalists"...short sighted and always wanting to control nature.
Sad.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:39 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Solar is a no brainer. No moving parts, low maintenance, relatively cheap, and can be used in ways that have dual purpose (parking shade structure).
The only "practical" use for solar is in a homestead to small compound type setting...maybe auxiliary power, but even then it requires a change in lifestyle and conventional backup power systems.
"Alternative energy" is just that...and alternative to actual reliable energy.
It's like alternative medicine. Some uses may have a bit of value, but thats about it.
It's more of a lifestyle statement than anything that has any actual use on a large scale.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:43 pm to imjustafatkid
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I like this kind of idea, but how many rooftops would need to be used for solar panels in a metro area to make solar power relevant?
With all the airborne particulate matter...dust..pollen..debris from trees, etc, who will clean these to keep the "efficiency" at an optimum and how will it be done?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:46 pm to KiwiHead
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Know a guy at Ono Island who went solar. Works very well. Electric bill is minimal.
1 guy. Great for him!
Did he have to alter his lifestyle and energy usage for it to "work"?
Do you think people in general would want to be forced to change their lifestyles to adapt?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:49 pm to AUCE05
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You do know prime solar locations don't have trees, right?
Do they have people..or do you think it's practical to ship that electricity from those areas to populated areas? Has that been factored into the equation that concludes it might "work"?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:52 pm to ithad2bme
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Better questions are where do all the batteries go in 5-7 years from all the battery banks being installed with them, and where do the solar cells go in 25 years at the end of their usable life span? Not to mention the mining and energy that is needed to make them. Nobody accounts for any of this in renewables.
That^
Plus the output and lifespan of these systems are exaggerated.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 7:14 pm to ithad2bme
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Not to mention the mining and energy that is needed to make them
Most of the minerals used in batteries for Tesla and solar panels is mined in South America and Africa using child slaves and little to zero concern for the environment.
The theory is that technology will evolve as demand for batteries grows, requiring fewer child slaves and destroying fewer acres of pristine land in 3rd world shitholes.
Currently it is a great modern example of NIMBY.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:09 pm to Dale51
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Do they have people..or do you think it's practical to ship that electricity from those areas to populated areas?
Solar companies look at maps of, say for example, TVA transmission lines and then look for land to buy that has access to these lines. Does not matter where the people are. The Tennessee farm for example is beside TVA lines, they feed the power into those lines and it may be used by the guy down the road in his chicken house but that guy pays the normal rate for it. Facebook is actually using power from say Guntersville dam but they are paying the rate for solar power although that is not in reality where there power is coming from. But they can say they are using solar power because that is the rate they are paying.
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Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:30 am to Dale51
The advances in solar technology has been ridiculous over the past 10 years to the point that within the next 5 years, the affordability issue will be a non issue for new construction homes. The electric companies know this and want to get on it. The better the technology the cheaper the electricity . They want to be positioned to be an affordable alternative for most of the pre existing structures.
No one is going to force a lifestyle change. It will become another option for energy generation especially out west but also in places along the Gulf Coast and FLA.
And the guy who did it has not had to alter much of anything. AC worked just fine.
No one is going to force a lifestyle change. It will become another option for energy generation especially out west but also in places along the Gulf Coast and FLA.
And the guy who did it has not had to alter much of anything. AC worked just fine.
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