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Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:54 am to 3nOut
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did you know that Saudi Arabia has been invading Yemen and has killed 100k in the last 6 years?
Absolutely. A terrible civil war. The US has “advisors” and DoD contractors in that one and at least 5 similar conflicts in subsaharan Africa. Proxy wars are a real thing. Be it US backed vs Chinese backed or US backed vs fundamentalist Muslim or even a couple Chinese backed vs Fundamentalist Muslim. Good money to be made in those conflicts. I even made money in Italy anti terrorist (read Muslim) stuff a couple times.
Difference being the Kurds got as close as they could to their own country. The Kurdish autonomous area has really curtailed their actions. They are just trying to show the world they can govern themselves and be a positive interest in the region. They have full citizenship in Iraq and have all but pulled out of Turkey and Syria. They even have a Kurd as president of Iraq. So having a NATO country go genocidal on them seems a bit out of place here.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:40 pm to Smokeyone
quote:because most people watch political news to get their dose of rage
These are wire stories no one picked up on.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:47 pm to Smokeyone
Offer asylum but that's it. Also another reason why NATO is outdated.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 1:42 pm to Smokeyone
Big birds invading a country is hardly a reason to be concerned
Posted on 4/22/22 at 2:21 pm to Breauxsif
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The sad thing here is that Turkey cannot be realistically kicked out of NATO, because that would mean essentially giving control of Bosphorus to Russia. Turkish governments past and present know this and abuse it. They even made the refugee deal into a similar leverage against the EU. Now they are diplomatically untouchable and we are seeing the results.
It's not just realistically, there is no mechanism for kicking any country out of NATO - the treaty only speaks to voluntary withdrawal.
Stars and Stripes - Kicking Turkey out of NATO wouldn't be easy
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But even if there was consensus inside NATO about kicking Turkey out, the 70-year-old military alliance faces this key obstacle: no mechanism exists in NATO’s founding charter for revoking a state’s membership.
While Article 13 in NATO’s Washington Treaty offers a way for a county to quit, the charter is silent on how to force out a member state that has fallen out of favor.
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Should NATO ever decide to remove a member, it would have to amend its treaty. And that would mean getting unanimous support from all members, including Turkey.
During the course of NATO’s history, members have fallen out of favor numerous times and debates have swirled about how to deal with a recalcitrant ally.
In 1974, allied leaders discreetly debated suspending Portugal’s membership in NATO following a leftist coup, Benitez said.
Instead, the Portuguese were quietly sanctioned and excluded from most NATO activities during 1974-1975.
“The historical record is that NATO deals with these problems by privately sanctioning the member violating alliance values, but does not officially terminate their membership,” Benitez said.
Ultimately, NATO leaders wait out the misbehaving national leaders until a government consistent with alliance values eventually returns to power, he said.
“It is important to note, that in these cases NATO members act more strongly outside of the alliance, through their bilateral relationships with the offending government,” Benitez said.
For example, the U.S. Congress cut off military aid to Turkey after it intervened in Cyprus in the 1970s. Turkey responded by cutting off American access to military bases in the country.
A current example would be Norway, which on Thursday announced it will block exports of military equipment to Turkey.
Inside NATO, there are other steps allies can take to punish a member, such as withholding information and excluding them from alliance meetings, Benitez said.
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This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/22/22 at 2:25 pm to Coleridge
Do I need to change my avatar to I stand with Turkey
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:13 pm to The007
If that’s the Patriot thing to do and you think it would help why not?
Regardless it seems like libs, CMs, neocons, Rinos, etc. are focused on Russia/Ukraine no matter what other blandishments are dangled in front of them like in this thread. I assume it’s their avatars you’d like to change, not yours, no?
Regardless it seems like libs, CMs, neocons, Rinos, etc. are focused on Russia/Ukraine no matter what other blandishments are dangled in front of them like in this thread. I assume it’s their avatars you’d like to change, not yours, no?
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 8:19 pm
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