re: How hard is it to actually secure the border?

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I am not against immigration, I'm against our bloated welfare system.

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They're not related.

As to your other assertions about them being a tax drain, negative impact on the economy...do you have anything to back that up?

Of course you would, you're an idiot.

Listening to a couple of border agents on Hannity; a lot of the guys who have families...won't even go home. They are shacking up in motels; afraid to take highly contagious stuff home to the wife and kids.

F'n Boehnor and the House needs to step up, ignore Obama and send the $ down there to shut the door! Do they control the purse, or not? Obama would howl and bark...but he couldn't bite...for the same reason that he could not do a photo op down there. He'd own it. And it he stood in the way of slamming that door...he'd be rejected by most of our Nation.

Once it's shut down...we can do a serious triage of just WHO/WHAT is coming in, and deal with it in a common sense and compassionate way. Droning cartel gangs would be a sensible start.

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F'n Boehnor and the House needs to step up, i

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If they want to fix the crisis of unaccompanied minors they need to "step up" and amend/repeal/fix laws that most of them passed in 1996, 2000 and 2008.

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I think if you could read prior posts you know the answer....but like I said you're an idiot.

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I read prior posts, moron. Illegals get health care, education, etc. They don't pay taxes unless they buy a fotey at the 7-11 and that's just sales.

Again, and I very much prescribe to the CATO institute and they're certainly more informed than me

We're creating incentives for illegals to not report income, while not disincentivizing their use of the public trough (I'm not calling them pigs)

Furthermore, we're lessening their benefit to the economy since banks don't give money to someone with no identification or recorded income. Traditionally, immigrants start businesses. My sister in law's boyfriend's family is a great example. They come here and start a successful restaurant and create jobs, spend money, creating more jobs, and so forth.

The CATO institute is basically saying they cannot find a correlation between immigrants and welfare growth; however immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants are not the same thing. Different circumstances and constraints create different results. Furthermore, I'm not interested in the disparities among states. California, for example has a bigger welfare pie, yes it is because of their regulations, taxes and general lack of economic freedom; however, can they prove to me that a massive influx of illegal immigrants didn't contribute to welfare growth in California. This study is leaving out many crucial questions. California drives and incentivizes people to live on the government dime. More people, more expensive dime. They're illegal, I cannot mention that enough, so your average illegal and your average citizen are not on the same playing field. There are more barriers preventing the undocumented worker from participating in the economy

Not finding a correlation =\= no correlation and no study will produce either because if the fact we're dealing with an issue that by nature deals with unknown values. And admittedly I will rely on my own common sense and reasoning, which is why I've stayed out of this issue on this board.

No one. And I mean NO ONE right here has refuted my original position from 6 years ago on this board. Mines stop illegal immigration. No one has said "No, Zach, mines will not work on securing the border."

Will it be unpopular? Yes
Does it work? Yes

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Not finding a correlation =\= no correlation and no study will produce either because if the fact we're dealing with an issue that by nature deals with unknown values.

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A correlation was found between when our economy was growing and there were jobs...they come for jobs not welfare which they are ineligible for.

So no correlation and a correlation....seems to rule out where no correlation was found.

As to some of your other points - I agree. We need immigration reform to allow the illegals to be documented and taxed more effectively (as opposed to the taxation through fraud - fake IDs).

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eliminate the demand for hiring them

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your solution is further bloating the government by forcing businesses to submit to regulations, at the businesses expense (just like customs sends you a bill for your container x ray) and further increasing the cost of business, the cost of the goods and services they provide, prevent dollars from being spent and chambered throughout the economy.

sounds awful.

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they come for jobs not welfare I've never claimed otherwise.

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I have. They come for welfare.