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re: How Finland built the best education system in the world
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
You blatantly ignored the part about Finland teachers having higher requirements in terms of qualifications. 
Every convo with you is just a circular argument where you cherry pick pieces of posts you feel like replying to and skirt around the core points/issues.
Fun fact though...A lot of the innovations in Finland were inspired by research from the U.S.
Every convo with you is just a circular argument where you cherry pick pieces of posts you feel like replying to and skirt around the core points/issues. Fun fact though...A lot of the innovations in Finland were inspired by research from the U.S.
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Ironically, inspiration for many of Finland's changes came from research in the United States, which contributes 80 percent of the world's education research, by Sahlberg's estimation. "We've built this excellent, high-performing, equitable system that everyone is praising today, based on American innovations," he said.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:14 pm to Asgard Device
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That must explain why Africa is so great at education.
Wanna know why everyone else knows that youre clueless about this topic?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:17 pm to Tigerdev
quote:And I agree with you that their education system is vastly superior. They obviously value education.
I gave evidence that their system is superior due to investment and better teachers. You are ignoring that in favor of your low-rent "culture blaming". You have no idea what you are talking about clearly. Do 5 minutes of research at least before talking bullshite at least! C'mon people. Damn.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:19 pm to Tigerdev
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You blatantly ignored the part about Finland teachers having higher requirements in terms of qualifications.
again, even then, they can afford the increased cost b/c of their size
if you let the US do education locally, you'd see a ton of areas adopt similar styles and requirements
that would be unfair though, so we have to homogenize a system for 320M people
you literally ignored the entire point to say that i didn't' respond to one basically irrelevant point
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:21 pm to Scruffy
The only culture issue I see here related to education is that we have 40 to 45% of this country that holds all public investment and public regulation in contempt.
Conservatives would never allow us to have a federal system where:
1.) We use tax dollars to send teachers to a federally mandated program to train high quality teachers
2.) We have federally mandated standards that define who can be licensed as a teacher
shite is working...but our society has this hang up that public investment = socialism...
Conservatives would never allow us to have a federal system where:
1.) We use tax dollars to send teachers to a federally mandated program to train high quality teachers
2.) We have federally mandated standards that define who can be licensed as a teacher
shite is working...but our society has this hang up that public investment = socialism...
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:21 pm to Bench McElroy
They also have school choice
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:23 pm to Tigerdev
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Conservatives would never allow us to have a federal system where:
1.) We use tax dollars to send teachers to a federally mandated program to train high quality teachers
2.) We have federally mandated standards that define who can be licensed as a teacher
you see you added in federal, which ignores the greater issue
"conservatives" believe in spending TONS on education...locally
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:23 pm to seawolf06
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one of the most successful models in the USA, KIPP,
KIPP nola isn't really successful. KIPP NYC and Houston are the flagship KIPP sites, but now it's become bloated with middle management.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
We can afford to invest in education. Finland is smaller yes but they don't have our wealth.
Standards and an education program for prospective teachers to meet those standards is what we need. Conservatives would never allow that.
Standards and an education program for prospective teachers to meet those standards is what we need. Conservatives would never allow that.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
We are comparing our education system to another country's and you think a local solution will fix this? No comprende.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:24 pm to Tigerdev
quote:That is exactly what got us into this position with our public schools.
The only culture issue I see here related to education is that we have 40 to 45% of this country that holds all public investment and public regulation in contempt.
quote:I fully support mandated standards for teachers.
1.) We use tax dollars to send teachers to a federally mandated program to train high quality teachers
2.) We have federally mandated standards that define who can be licensed as a teacher
Now get that supported by YOUR party's voting bloc, teacher's unions.
The ones blocking advancement in education isn't conservatives, it is democrats.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:26 pm to Tigerdev
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We can afford to invest in education.
We already throw tons of money at education. We need innovation more than just "investment"
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:26 pm to Tigerdev
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Standards and an education program for prospective teachers to meet those standards is what we need. Conservatives would never allow that.
bro
not only does Finland pay their teachers like they do lawyers, which we couldn't afford, we have a teacher shortage as it, WITH our lower standards.
and again, conservatives are almost always happy to spend on education...locally
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Teacher shortage has a lot to do with it not being a desirable job. If we value education and want to compete we have to pay.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:28 pm to Tigerdev
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We are comparing our education system to another country's and you think a local solution will fix this?
no i am just pointing out that your assertions about conservatives are wrong
"conservatives" are fine with spending on education, they just want local control over that spending
look at Texas and thir ISDs. lots more spending in the conservative areas (and higher test results)
so you're wrong. conservatives believe in spending on education. they just want local spending and local control over that increased spending
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:28 pm to 4cubbies
I made some specific suggestions above. An academy approach publicly funded.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well a local solution has no place in this discussion and you seem to be admitting that. The rest is just noise man.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:29 pm to Tigerdev
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If we value education and want to compete we have to pay.
the areas that do value education tend to pay for that education
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:30 pm to Tigerdev
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Well a local solution has no place in this discussion
why?
i already explained why a federal system like Finland's cannot work here
and how "conservatives" are willing to spend locally
so why is local control such a bad thing if it would allow more areas to spend more on education AND possibly adopt the Finnish system that you value? that seems like the EXACT situation you'd support
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
School competition is all you need.
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