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re: How does one successfully argue with a liberal?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:13 pm to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:13 pm to TDsngumbo
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How does one successfully argue with a liberal?
One doesn't argue.
The Woz says: "And don't argue. Don't argue! You don't win an argument, you just walk away unhappy," says Wozniak. "You only have to convince one person in life, and that is yourself."
Remember, Happiness = Smiles - Frowns. There is no place for arguments.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/02/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniaks-simple-formula-for-happiness.html
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:14 pm to TDsngumbo
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How do you even remain engaged in debate with someone like this? The temptation to stoop to his level is high but I remain calm and usually just end it there. I hate ending it there, though, because it usually makes me feel like he thinks he won and I lost, when in reality I'm just literally at a loss for words on how to respond to his ignorance.
How do you argue with a liberal?
Go watch as many videos of Gavin McInnis as you can until you have his method of debating down.
In a nutshell, he continually proposes a reality of their agenda without telling them it's the result of their agenda, and watches them argue against themselves until he reveals that they are arguing against their own politics.
That's the simplified version of it. You actually need to alter your entire debate style to not be defensive or offensive, but more like making rhetorical statements and asking questions that actually make them explain how their ideas and contentions are shite.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:16 pm to bencoleman
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A total waste of time
I've won tons of argument with liberals IRL. You just have to keep the organization of your arguments in parallel lines and not wander off. Stay on point and keep them on point.
Here's a real example of a debate I had with a leftist from Northbrook, Ill. It was at a dinner at Northwestern in Evanston.
Him: Capital punishment is wrong and should be abolished.
Me: No, what we should do instead is anesthetize them first, then harvest organs for transplants, then give them lethal drugs.
Him: That's immoral and repugnant.
Me: What's immoral and repugnant about saving hundreds of innocent lives?
He conceded.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:16 pm to TDsngumbo
You can't
It takes 2 parties to decide they want to have a reasonable conversation. They would rather classify and degrade your humanity to an overbroad identity as justification to shout you down or show aggression
If you happen to speak to a liberal that wants to pretend to have a real conversation. Remember that due to the fact that they will almost certainly hang the entirety of their argument on identity groups and equality of outcome that you must argue on that level and against that. If they take the moral high ground (which they will do) Arguing with logic and facts and statistics is almost worthless. You have to formulate an argument as to why their opinion is wrong on a moral level instead not a logical level
It takes 2 parties to decide they want to have a reasonable conversation. They would rather classify and degrade your humanity to an overbroad identity as justification to shout you down or show aggression
If you happen to speak to a liberal that wants to pretend to have a real conversation. Remember that due to the fact that they will almost certainly hang the entirety of their argument on identity groups and equality of outcome that you must argue on that level and against that. If they take the moral high ground (which they will do) Arguing with logic and facts and statistics is almost worthless. You have to formulate an argument as to why their opinion is wrong on a moral level instead not a logical level
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:17 pm to Zach
I deal with it the same way I cook my steaks.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:18 pm to TDsngumbo
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How does one successfully argue with a liberal?
Tell him is he shouldn't go around boasting that he is liberal. Someone might overhear him and report him to Trump's secret police, and he could end up in the
"reeducation Camps" if he doesnt just disappear all together.....
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:22 pm to TDsngumbo
Find a way to bend the argument back against the them.
1. Are they using the soft racism of lowered expectations? Call them out for it and tell them that their racism disgusts you.
2. Are they championing socialist ideas? Ask them how much they give to charity, followed by an accusation that they are greedy for not giving enough.
3. Are they against guns? As you stare into their eyes, ask, "Are you willing to kill ME to take my gun?"
Etc
1. Are they using the soft racism of lowered expectations? Call them out for it and tell them that their racism disgusts you.
2. Are they championing socialist ideas? Ask them how much they give to charity, followed by an accusation that they are greedy for not giving enough.
3. Are they against guns? As you stare into their eyes, ask, "Are you willing to kill ME to take my gun?"
Etc
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:33 pm to TDsngumbo
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How do you argue with a liberal?
Remove all logic, clinch your fists, yell a lot and inject senseless emotional clichés to support your argument.
In other words, don't bother arguing with a liberal; you'll sound as retarded as they sound.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:35 pm to TDsngumbo
Remind them that they supported Crooked Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.
Then ridicule them relentlessly.
Then ridicule them relentlessly.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:36 pm to TDsngumbo
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How do you argue with a liberal?
When they start with the bullshite I break out laughing and shake my head as I walk away.
MAGA
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:38 pm to DrunkerThanThou
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Ben Shapiro 10 Rules when debating leftists
Yes, this is how you debate them. Refuse to go into the corners that they try to trick you to go towards and do not engage in their language. If they ask me why I refuse to go down their path of Identity Politics bullshite, I pretty much have a prewritten rant on why Identity Politics is the single biggest evil of the modern world and how Cultural Appropriation is the greatest thing that has ever happened to us as a species. Unless they're aware of a fact that I am not (and we need to agree on basic facts), then I very rarely lose to a liberal/leftist when debating them.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:39 pm to Zach
quote:sounds just like I B Freeman arguing with Hopeful Doc. I guess that makes IBF the 'wife'?
2. Recognize the 'sluff'. This is the technique of ignoring your rebuttal and going back to the assertion that has already been refuted. In 'wife' debate this is known as circular argumentation.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:41 pm to bengalfan50
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That one is garbage. We should be able to differentiate between a Liberal and a Leftist. It's just the same demonizing the Left does to the Right, and I will not go and give them the same prescription they are writing to me. Do not engage in their demonizing tactics and be very direct with them. Anyone with a brain can take down someone who blindly demonizes others with no proof.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:42 pm to BamaAtl
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For reference, Breitbart, GatewayPundit, Fox News, and this board don't give you facts. They give you propaganda. Show your friend some facts next time.
Like your stalwart news sources.. NYT, Wash Post, MSNBC, CNN. Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, Salon, or the Onion...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:44 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:In his mind he is winning when you do that.
The temptation to stoop to his level is high but I remain calm and usually just end it there
Stick to the facts, stay on topic, and don't be afraid to call him a moron
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:45 pm to Apache
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Remind them that they supported Crooked Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.
Hillary is an easy one, but Bernie is not. Bernie is a well intentioned extremist who has convinced them of a Socialist Utopia, and you'll need facts behind you on why socialism is due to fail and why it would never work in the US.
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Then ridicule them relentlessly.
Again, weak argument. It's what they do. Do not succumb to their traps.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:47 pm to TDsngumbo
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