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How do we fix the real Firearm Issue? The enormous # of illegal firearms in circulation.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:41 am
To be fair, I see the concern with how people can legally obtain an amount of firearms that could supply a small army (My big concern is that person having his firearms stolen and sold). That being said, let us be honest here restricting the future legal sale of certain weapons and ammunition will barely if at all make a dent in the # of firearm crimes bc of the enormous # of stolen/black market guns that are currently in circulation.
Some places with the strictest gun laws in the nation still have huge issues with gun violence. The vast majority of those crimes are committed w/ illegally obtained firearms. (Shocker criminals don’t obey laws)
Short of actually searching everyone in the US’ person and property (something I am extremely against), how do we as a nation control the bigger issue problem of criminals committing crimes w/ illegally obtained weapons?
General thoughts:
1. Severe penalties for guardians who’s children commit crimes with their weapons
2. Severe penalty if a person is found to have an illegal firearm thru normal search and seizure laws
3. Set minimum criteria of how an individual must secure their weapons and have harsh penalties if their weapons are stolen bc in part they did follow the criteria.
Some places with the strictest gun laws in the nation still have huge issues with gun violence. The vast majority of those crimes are committed w/ illegally obtained firearms. (Shocker criminals don’t obey laws)
Short of actually searching everyone in the US’ person and property (something I am extremely against), how do we as a nation control the bigger issue problem of criminals committing crimes w/ illegally obtained weapons?
General thoughts:
1. Severe penalties for guardians who’s children commit crimes with their weapons
2. Severe penalty if a person is found to have an illegal firearm thru normal search and seizure laws
3. Set minimum criteria of how an individual must secure their weapons and have harsh penalties if their weapons are stolen bc in part they did follow the criteria.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:48 am to STEVED00
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bigger issue problem of criminals committing crimes w/ illegally obtained weapons
What do you do about situations like the one in Florida, or Sandy Hook? None of them involved illegally obtained firearms. In fact Cruz bought his legally, by the book. That should be the concern.
Maybe we should go full "Minority Report" in this country and create a thing call pre-crime
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:50 am to STEVED00
False dilemma. There is no firearm issue. We have millions of guns in the hands of private citizens that are not used to kill people. We have a few individuals killing groups of people on rare occasions that stir people's emotions and make them think we have a firearm issue.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:53 am to STEVED00
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Severe penalties for guardians who’s children commit crimes with their weapons
Would not have worked in Sandy Hook, Lanza killed his mother before going on his spree.
Would not have worked in Florida, Cruz was an adult who bought his weapon legally and besides he was an orphan....mother had died recently.....father has been dead since 2005
Your other 2 are OK but in the end just pissing into the wind
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:53 am to KiwiHead
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What do you do about situations like the one in Florida, or Sandy Hook? None of them involved illegally obtained firearms. In fact Cruz bought his legally, by the book. That should be the concern.
My feeling is that gun laws really won’t stop people like Cruz just make it a little harder for them to cause their intended harm.
The big problem is not what happened in Fla or Sandy Hook or Columbine. It is what is happening EVERYDAY in Chicago or NO or Baltimore or most major metro areas. What happened in Fla is just a few more deaths than a normal weekend in Chicago.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:54 am to STEVED00
Your general thoughts turn victims into criminals, no thanks.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:59 am to Aristo
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Your general thoughts turn victims into criminals, no thanks.
I will give you #3 but how are people walking around with an illegal firearm a victim or parents of children who commit heinous crimes victims?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:02 am to STEVED00
#2 not so much, but the parents did not commit the crime. If the child takes the gun from his parents without permission that is still theft therefore turning victims into criminals.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:07 am to STEVED00
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1. Severe penalties for guardians who’s children commit crimes with their weapons - most parents/guardians are already civilly liable for the actions of their charges. You would be hard pressed to have any criminal penalties stick as this would be completely without any intent.
2. Severe penalty if a person is found to have an illegal firearm thru normal search and seizure laws - these types of laws already exist if illegal gun is used during a crime (or is in possession of a felon), but are discretionary - enhance the penalty and make mandatory.
3. Set minimum criteria of how an individual must secure their weapons and have harsh penalties if their weapons are stolen bc in part they did follow the criteria - bullshite.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:10 am to STEVED00
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My feeling is that gun laws really won’t stop people like Cruz just make it a little harder for them to cause their intended harm.
Precisely. I'm not a fan of semi-automatic weapons for the general populace, but the cat is out of the bag in regards to guns. I'm not sure how you could ever prevent what happened Wednesday short of total ban and confiscation....and I'm not for that
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:12 am to KiwiHead
quote:You realize "semi-automatic" just means you pull a trigger once and one bullet comes out, right? Why are you against that?
I'm not a fan of semi-automatic weapons for the general populace
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:39 am to STEVED00
To solve this issue you have extremely harsh penalties for ANY crime committed with a firearm, including possessing one that is stolen.
As it is now, progressives want new laws on the books, when the current ones are not enforced.
As it is now, progressives want new laws on the books, when the current ones are not enforced.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:42 am to KiwiHead
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Would not have worked in Sandy Hook, Lanza killed his mother before going on his spree.
Lanza was an adult, not a child - he was 20 years old. Not applicable to the original point you're replying to.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:32 pm to skrayper
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Lanza was an adult, not a child - he was 20 years old. Not applicable to the original point you're replying to.
She actually still had official guardianship over him because of his severe Aspergers/Autism.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Why are you against that?
I don't like them, but if you have the means to buy one, knock your lights out
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:36 pm to STEVED00
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Set minimum criteria of how an individual must secure their weapons and have harsh penalties if their weapons are stolen bc in part they did follow the criteria.
WTF?
How about stopping criminals from breaking into homes. Stop setting up speed traps and do your damn jobs. But you want to punish the individual for having his/her gun stolen
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