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re: How can you claim to be inclusive when you call half of america backward?

Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:23 pm to
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No answer here?
I don't see much value in Whataboutism. But more importantly, the issue isn't white folks having their charges dismissed in marijuana cases. The issue is black folks being incarcerated for weed.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:23 pm to
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How can you claim to be inclusive

Easy just say it.....your audience is dumb as shite
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:24 pm to
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What was the ugly side of John McCain or Mitt Romney?

I like both of those guys. I just liked Obama's platform better.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:24 pm to
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You seem to be missing the historical context of racism towards blacks in particular. There is a reasonable sensitivity to the far right's penchant for reminiscing about "the good ole days". Those days weren't so great for some...



You're well conditioned, I'll give you that.

This is liberal gobblygook.

Thinking there were things that were better before we fricked some things up =/= thinking everything in 1950 was worth going back to. That's just Democratic fear rhetoric talking.

And it's even dumber when you consider that a core talking point on the left economically speaking ABSOLUTELY acts like things were sooooooooo much better in those same fricking years! They routinely use it to argue about how "you could raise a family one one income back then blah blah blah".

You just don't put that together with "hoping Jim Crow comes back" like you do when a conservative talks about the past.

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Like I said, both parties are dead wrong on some stuff and right on other stuff.

Irrelevant though because it doesn't matter. You're gonna vote skin color.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:24 pm to
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don't see much value in Whataboutism. But more importantly, the issue isn't white folks having their charges dismissed in marijuana cases. The issue is black folks being incarcerated for weed.


Why are women treated lightly in the system vs men? Whe aren't y'all protesting this?

If y'all were actually consistence on "equality" you would be. It's faaar more glaring than black/white
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:26 pm to
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Why are women treated lightly in the system vs men? Whe aren't y'all protesting this?

If y'all were actually consistence on "equality" you would be. It's faaar more glaring than bl
Dude's ENTIRE worldview starts and ends with the color of his.......and your skin.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:26 pm to
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Irrelevant though because it doesn't matter. You're gonna vote skin color.

This is your unqualified opinion. I don't really care about your resentful assumptions.

To varying degrees, minorities favor the left. Even Asians who share education and income similar to whites. You refuse to look inward as to why that might be and instead choose to attack blacks. This is exactly the sort of behavior that would prevent me from aligning myself with the likes of you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:27 pm to
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The issue is black folks being incarcerated for weed.


$$$

The system highly favors those who can hire well connected attorneys.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:28 pm to
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Dude's ENTIRE worldview starts and ends with the color of his.......and your skin.


The glaring discrepancies are based on sex, not race. But you rarely hear about that
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:30 pm to
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Why are women treated lightly in the system vs men? Whe aren't y'all protesting this?

If y'all were actually consistence on "equality" you would be. It's faaar more glaring than black/white
You always try to use Whataboutism as some sort of Gotcha to avoid addressing other poster's points. I think the justice system should be objective for all.

But your point is ridiculously fallacious. The notion that bringing attention to one issue or cause implies that you don't care or accept other issues is silly and low-rent.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:32 pm to
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This is your unqualified opinion. I don't really care about your resentful assumptions.

It is my opinion, yes.

Generally supported by the factual reality of black voting patterns.

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To varying degrees, minorities favor the left.

Minorities favor the left.

Blacks are the Borg of politics.

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You refuse to look inward as to why that might be and instead choose to attack blacks.
They should be attacked for their voting patterns. Blacks are, by a wide margin, the most racist segment of society in 2018. It's not even close. But you refuse to look inward and realize this.

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This is exactly the sort of behavior that would prevent me from aligning myself with the likes of you.

Interestingly, my views on race in politics are worse in 2018......but a LOT than they were in 1998. Why you might ask?

Because I realized based on ACTIONS that the words coming out of the mouths of my black friends and acquaintances largely didn't matter. In the end, I was white. End of story.

I saw this because if a negative thing happened in the world where racism was accused, they very nearly 100% believed it.......EVERY time if a black person they didn't even know made the accusation.

It told me that bottom line, the only thing protecting me from them calling me a racist was them knowing me personally. Otherwise, they'd basically believe ANY black person over me just like they do in all other cases.

Look inward and you know what I just typed is true. You've done it on this board.

You need basically zero evidence to believe a black person crying racism against a white person. And, anyone that says, "um, evidence please"........your response.........as with almost all other blacks is the same....

"What......are you saying racism doesn't exist!!!"

Same shite. ALL the time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:33 pm to
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You always try to use Whataboutism as some sort of Gotcha to avoid addressing other poster's points. I think the justice system should be objective for all.


I'm just curious why you folks aren't up in arms about the blatant sex inequality of the system. It's far more agregious than racial disparity.

The answer is cultural programming, and the inability to look beyond or challenge the status quo on "protected" issues
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134098 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:34 pm to
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To varying degrees, minorities favor the left. Even Asians who share education and income similar to whites. You refuse to look inward as to why that might be and instead choose to attack blacks.


The fact that minorities so readily cede our individual voting power on the basis of race alone the overwhelming majority of the time is adequate grounds for attack, I'm sorry.

It's absurd that this is the status quo, especially considering how eclectic minority backgrounds have become.

This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18082 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:34 pm to
Hillary and liberals, in general.. have already dehumanized us.

In their minds, we are not people, we are just obstacles that are preventing them from achieving a socialist utopia.. ala the ussr of yesteryear.. or Venezuela.

The day the right starts to mass dehumanize people on the left, also.. is the day that we start seeing armed battles in the streets.


Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:34 pm to
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You always try to use Whataboutism
I realize that this word is the newest liberal "your argument is irrelevant" word........but not every example that tends to argue against a proposed paradigm is "whataboutism".

Liberals have just gone with that because so many of their paradigms don't actually stand up to scrutiny. IE.........the blunt reality is......."if X is true then so must be Y so why isn't Y true" is a perfectly valid point.

Liberals just don't like it.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40370 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
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The issue is black folks being incarcerated for weed.



Less than 1% of people in prison for a weed charge are there for possession alone.


99% are there with more serious charges on top of the weed.

But continue with the myth
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
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The answer is based on the very real historical context of racial inequality in this country. Blacks did not have equal rights under the law until the 1960s and still face unequal treatment under the law to this day.


FIFY. When you dare to think it really isn't that hard.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
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But your point is ridiculously fallacious. The notion that bringing attention to one issue or cause implies that you don't care or accept other issues is silly and low-rent.


Except he isn't doing that.

So, your "everything is about skin color" problem is rearing its head again.

Roger's point is........perhaps the problem you've identified isn't driven primarily by race. Have you considered that possibility?

Nah
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:36 pm to
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The fact that minorities so readily cede our individual voting power on the basis of race alone the overwhelming majority of the time is adequate grounds for attack, I'm sorry.


Yup. If you vote 96-98% the same way regardless of the election............you are demonstrating that you aren't voting for ideological reasons.

I mean, one would hope that blacks don't actually think 98% of them think alike.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:37 pm to
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The fact that minorities so readily cede our individual voting power on the basis of race alone the overwhelming majority of the time is adequate grounds for attack, I'm sorry.
Why in your view do other minorities such as asians also vote primarily for Democrats? Perhaps there is something in the rhetoric from the right that has a tendency to turn off minorities.

Btw, if the dems win the mid-terms will you shoop this instead of Django for your avatar? You can pick my avatar.




And before you get mad I'm jus playin. But we should do an avatar bet for control of the senate or something
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